Autoclave tape - not just for decoration

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Autoclave tape - not just for decoration

Post by gregorach » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:12 pm

Alternative thread title: Be careful how you load your pressure cooker...

Out of the last batch of plates I did, all but two developed mould colonies within a couple of days - including one of the negative controls. I've never had a problem like this before, so I've been racking my brain to figure out what the problem could have been... Streaking technique was immediately ruled out by the fact that the problem also occurred on a plate that hadn't been opened since I poured it. Contamination when pouring is always a possibility, but like I say, I've never had a problem before, and certainly not of this magnitude, and if anything, my pouring technique has been getting better... Then I remembered: when I loaded the (glass) Petri dishes into the pressure cooker for sterilisation, I'd loaded them in two vertical stacks rather than edge-on (which is what I usually do), and the autoclave tape had only changed colour on the top one on each stack. At the time, I'd figured "Hey, they've been in there for 25 minutes, they'll be fine..." Well, you would, wouldn't you? Most people figure a couple of minutes boiling is adequate, so 25 minutes in the pressure cooker has to do the job, right?

Now, I didn't keep perfect track of which plates were on top of the stacks and which subsequently developed mould, but I do know that one of the clean plates was from the top of a stack, and I think the fact that only two of the plates didn't develop mould, combined with the fact that I've never had a problem like this before, is jolly suggestive...

I don't really like using disposable labware (I hate chucking stuff out after a single use) but I was seriously considering changing to single-use disposable Petri dishes anyway, simply because cleaning and sterilising glass ones is such a pain in the arse... And I'm leaning even more heavily in that direction now.

Moral of the story: "good enough" isn't good enough, and autoclave tape isn't just for laughs. If the tape doesn't change colour, it's not sterile, and if it's not sterile, it's contaminated.

(Thought about putting this in "Cleaning etc", but it's probably more at home here. For most brewing activities, "good enough" probably is good enough. Plates are very unforgiving... And that's the point of doing them. ;))
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Re: Autoclave tape - not just for decoration

Post by Kev888 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:50 pm

Thats useful to know; I've bought a pressure cooker to start autoclaving slants, but I'd not even considered this..

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Re: Autoclave tape - not just for decoration

Post by gregorach » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:00 pm

You can pick up a 50m roll of autoclave indicator tape for less than a fiver on eBay, I'd totally recommend it... A domestic pressure cooker may not achieve quite the same temperatures and pressures as a proper autoclave. I initially assumed that 15 minutes would be adequate (my pressure cooker is a fancy electric job that only starts its timer when it reaches pressure) but I've found that anything less than 25 minutes won't give a positive indication even on empty glassware. Plus, if you're sterilising media, you will need to extend the time. Using the tape is a cheap and simple way of getting some assurance. It also makes it easier to keep track of what's been through the autoclave and what hasn't, as long as you remember to remove it from things when you use them.
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Re: Autoclave tape - not just for decoration

Post by Kev888 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:25 pm

Good stuff, thanks! My pressure cooker claims to reach 16PSI but theres nothing fancy to monitor anything and I lack the experience with it to know how long different loads/media would take - think I'll get some tape!

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Post by Wolfy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:28 pm

I guess there might be infections I cannot see, but I figure if I proof agar slopes/plates for a week (or more) before using them in a warm spot in a sealed container, then if nothing is growing on them its a good-enough indication that they were sufficiently sterilized.

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Re: Autoclave tape - not just for decoration

Post by Kev888 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:36 pm

Hmm, yes - possibly its worth doing that in addition too then; use the tape to check my autoclaving is working properly in the first place (to reduce the chances of finding out the hard way) and then leaving the new slopes for a while to check all is well with them. At least until I can judge the pressure cooker reliably, anyway.

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Re: Autoclave tape - not just for decoration

Post by gregorach » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:37 pm

Wolfy wrote:I guess there might be infections I cannot see, but I figure if I proof agar slopes/plates for a week (or more) before using them in a warm spot in a sealed container, then if nothing is growing on them its a good-enough indication that they were sufficiently sterilized.
Sure, absolutely - but I figure it's better to have some assurance as soon as you take them out of the pressure cooker. Sometimes I don't plan far enough ahead to leave 'em for a week, and then there's the annoyance of having to dump a batch of media and start again. If you use indicator tape, then you can just stick 'em back in the pressure cooker for a bit longer if it doesn't go, rather than waiting a week only to find your entire batch is useless and it's time to start the whole clean plates / prep media / pour plates / wait cycle all over again...
Kev888 wrote:Hmm, yes - possibly its worth doing that in addition too then; use the tape to check my autoclaving is working properly in the first place (to reduce the chances of finding out the hard way) and then leaving the new slopes for a while to check all is well with them. At least until I can judge the pressure cooker reliably, anyway.

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Oh yes - negatives controls are the only way to be really sure.
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