European pre lager beer recipes.

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European pre lager beer recipes.

Post by Paddington » Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:04 pm

I’m trying to find old European beer recipes before lager became ubiquitous. I’m fine with France, Germany and Belgium, but still looking for any Spanish, Italian or Scandinavian recipes. Has anyone got any links or book recommendations?

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Re: European pre lager beer recipes.

Post by Hanglow » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:32 am

There's lots of farmhouse brewing that has gone on for ages in the likes of Norway and the baltic states. This blog is good for that

http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/


eg - http://www.garshol.priv.no/blog/359.html

Hope that helps a bit

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Re: European pre lager beer recipes.

Post by IPA » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:40 pm

Paddington wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:04 pm
I’m trying to find old European beer recipes before lager became ubiquitous. I’m fine with France, Germany and Belgium, but still looking for any Spanish, Italian or Scandinavian recipes. Has anyone got any links or book recommendations?
Not quite sure what you mean by "ubiquitous lager". I presume you mean pale "Eurofizz". I suggest that you have a look at Graham Wheeler's book BREW CLASSIC EUROPEAN BEERS AT HOME. There's plenty in it. Light,Dark, Esoteric,
Top and Bottom fermented. The first thing you will notice is that to be a lager has very little to do with its colour. Most drinkers would not know the difference between a top fermented Kolsch and a bottom fermented pale " Lager"
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Re: European pre lager beer recipes.

Post by Paddington » Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:57 pm

I’ll give that a try. By ubiquitous, I mean that lager is the standard beer in countries like Spain and Italy but I doubt it is traditional to either of them. Lager, good, bad or indifferent has become the ubiquitous beer of most of the world. Ubiquitous is a statement of fact not of judgement. Air is ubiquitous and it’s my favourite thing to breathe.

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Post by Laripu » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:01 pm

This gives quite a bit of chemical information for beers recovered from an 1840 shipwreck.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf ... /jf5052943

If you look at the section titled "Physicochemical Analysis" and extrapolate from their guess (due to sodium levels) that the beer was 30% diluted with sea-water, it looks like they found one beer that was around 5% abv and probably around 25 IBU, also given the breakdown of hop compounds over time. The other was probably around 20 IBU.

Pretty standard commercial beer for middle of the road tastes.

They did seem to find more unfermented sugars, so the beer might have been sweet.
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Re: European pre lager beer recipes.

Post by Paddington » Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:14 pm

Laripu wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:01 pm
This gives quite a bit of chemical information for beers recovered from an 1840 shipwreck.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf ... /jf5052943

If you look at the section titled "Physicochemical Analysis" and extrapolate from their guess (due to sodium levels) that the beer was 30% diluted with sea-water, it looks like they found one beer that was around 5% abv and probably around 25 IBU, also given the breakdown of hop compounds over time. The other was probably around 20 IBU.

Pretty standard commercial beer for middle of the road tastes.

They did seem to find more unfermented sugars, so the beer might have been sweet.
Thanks, that looks interesting, I'll sit down with it tonight. Just looking at the graph, lager and porter seem to share more similarities than I'd expect, but as I haven't got a clue what they are that might be less surprising than it seems.

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