Going Pro opportunity

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Going Pro opportunity

Post by laithclark » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:42 pm

Hi there

Its a while since I posted but I have an opportunity to rent a 4BBBL Brewery and one of the things that is on my mind is what I need to pay HMRC out of everything I sell.

Is there a ready reckoner/calculator out there online somewhere (I've looked but not come across any)?

All help gratefully received

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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by Secla » Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:29 pm

It differs depending on strength of beers and volumes produced I believe. Don't think there's s standard figure.

Should all be available on hmrc website I would think

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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by MarkA » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:54 pm

There is a calculator here - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _20152.xls

It ends with '20152' so may well be out of date, though. I would have a read through the HMRC website, as Secla said, and read up on the subject, check your figures, double-check your figures, then check them again (you cannot be too careful as far as duty is concerned)

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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by sonicated » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:02 pm

Secla wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:29 pm
Should all be available on hmrc website I would think
It is, but if I was going pro I'd get an accountant. Better to be safe than to be sorry!

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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by laithclark » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:55 am

Thanks for the replies - an accountant is high on the list!!!


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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by simon12 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:56 am

Beer duty is £19.08 per 1% ABV per 100L -50% if you produce under 500,000L a year

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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by Mashman » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:48 pm

Two Valleys Brewery

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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by laithclark » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:02 pm

Mashman wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:48 pm
This might be worth a read..

http://hardknott.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03 ... ustry.html

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Very interesting and very much on my mind about taking the plunge!
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Check out the beers we produce: www.bigriverbrew.co

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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by orlando » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:43 am

laithclark wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:02 pm
Mashman wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:48 pm
This might be worth a read..

http://hardknott.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03 ... ustry.html

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Very interesting and very much on my mind about taking the plunge!
So it should. If you don't have your own outlet, or one as part of your plans, don't do it. It really is that simple.
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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by laithclark » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:16 am

orlando wrote:
laithclark wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:02 pm
Mashman wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:48 pm
This might be worth a read..

http://hardknott.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03 ... ustry.html

M
Very interesting and very much on my mind about taking the plunge!
So it should. If you don't have your own outlet, or one as part of your plans, don't do it. It really is that simple.

It’s attached to a pub and in a chain of five others so there’s good opportunity but as ever no guarantees!


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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by Heron1952 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:47 am

Ha! got to be Halfpenny and others Plough at Tadpole? Another in Lechlade? Good Luck
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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by laithclark » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:56 am

Heron1952 wrote:Ha! got to be Halfpenny and others Plough at Tadpole? Another in Lechlade? Good Luck

You are obviously local Heron1952?


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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by Heron1952 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:13 am

laithclark wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:56 am
Heron1952 wrote:Ha! got to be Halfpenny and others Plough at Tadpole? Another in Lechlade? Good Luck

You are obviously local Heron1952?


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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by richard080561 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:24 pm

Have a read of this. It has a Welsh slant on it but is applicable to small brewers in England as well https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/ ... l-14510008
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Re: Going Pro opportunity

Post by Jambo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:14 am

orlando wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:43 am
laithclark wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:02 pm
Mashman wrote:
Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:48 pm
This might be worth a read..

http://hardknott.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03 ... ustry.html

M
Very interesting and very much on my mind about taking the plunge!
So it should. If you don't have your own outlet, or one as part of your plans, don't do it. It really is that simple.
That's sobering stuff. Will be interesting to read his promised future blogs on where he sees issues.

As I've often said to friends who reckon I should give up the day job and sell my beer - making good beer isn't difficult. What is difficult is getting people to part with the right amount of their hard earned cash for YOUR beer above others, i.e. it is marketing, plus - as Orlando says - a route to market which doesn't involve you giving away all the margin to a middle man.

Brewdog seem to be doing it right in that regard, but their profit margins are still pretty slim, even when using crowd funding for a big portion of their capital.

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