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Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Maltloaf » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:07 pm

Inspired by Feline Evil, my contribution to the Cambridge IPA Experiment I thought I'd have another go at a partigyle recipe and see how WLP023 got on with something a bit stronger.

Roughly - 10 litres of big beer, target O.G.1100; 80EBU, and 20 litres of the remains.
7.2kg of low colour Maris Otter is all the grain, mashed around 63-64 for 90mins.
First runnings plus a small amount of sparge to make 13litres in the first boil.
Bittered with 82g of 6.5% Challenger as FWH, boiled for 90mins.
500g white sugar added 30mins before end and irish moss for last 15mins.
34g of 6.1% Northdown added at end of boil.
Remaining sparge thrown onto 'spent' hops and boiled for 75mins.

Here's the hydrometer in the first part, DangerMouse;
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Oops. Yes, that's floating! 10 litres of 1.115 and 20 litres of 1040. Nevermind eh?! :lol:
Lovely and pale, despite the huge sugar content:
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And I finally get Sideshow Bob krausen:
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I put US-05 in Penfold, that should be ready and interesting fairly soon. No idea when the main brew will be ready!
Cheers all,
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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by jubby » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:31 pm

Interesting brewday there maltloaf. What the hell is going on with that krausen :shock:

Look forward to tasting those :D
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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Maltloaf » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:50 pm

Cheers mate. It's fair shifting now, the top is up to 18 litre mark...
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I've created a monster!
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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by WishboneBrewery » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:53 pm

wow to the yeast orgy too!!! :)
Hope they turn out good.

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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Maltloaf » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:55 pm

Cheers pedantic. I'm wondering if it's going to crawl out the top!

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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by WishboneBrewery » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:58 pm

Looks like some Tentacles might creep out once you turn your back!!!! :shock:

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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Maltloaf » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:33 pm

pdtnc wrote:Looks like some Tentacles might creep out once you turn your back!!!! :shock:
Hehe. Yeah. Not quite so alien this evening - just a mass of froth. Smells beaut though!
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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Billy Hunt » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:30 pm

Looks like a bucket of brains. :D

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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by 6470zzy » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:09 pm

That's rather creepy looking Krausen that is :wall

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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by adm » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:16 pm

Great stuff - good choice of names for the beers too!

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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Maltloaf » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:39 pm

Cheers adm. :)
Both under airlock now, Penfold down to 1020, DangerMouse at 1060 (after 6 days, don't know what they're at today).
US05 is merrily plugging away at the last few points in Penfold, but I'm not convinced the WLP023 is quite so happy anymore. Plenty of yeasties in suspension though so I'll just leave it be for a while longer. Here's hoping it's just getting ready for round 2, rather than pooped.[-o<
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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by WishboneBrewery » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:56 pm

WLP023 does seem to stay in suspension for a long time, let me know when you are tasting this eventually, I'd be interested if you think it has a bitter edge that comes from the yeast.
I did a Black Sheep Ale with WLP023 & US-05, the WLP023 seems to have a little roughness in the finish, though it did clear once in bottles, packing down well enough to the bottom.
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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Maltloaf » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:31 pm

Well, I reckon the WLP023 was pooped, it'd worked it's way down to 1050 by the time I bottled Penfold (@ 4 weeks) so I got my recovery strategy going. I created a lemongrass brew with the yeast cake from Penfold and, when that got dropped I chucked some perky US05 at Dangermouse. They loves it! =D>
So, a reasonably expected running out of steam from a yeast that's graded as 'medium' attenuation and tolerance - dropping 65 points would normally be good enough for me!

Now, here's a question for anyone who's runoff the mash tun into two seperate boils & brews - do you reckon the distribution of sugar types is even? More complex sugars first? I can theorise that the later runnings had had more time to be mashed, especially as I don't sparge very hot ( i.e. I may not have arrested the mash enzymes), but it was a decent 90 min mash. I ask because Penfold was at 1005 when I bottled - that was all grain, remember, no household sugar in the weaker brew.

We'll see how Dangermouse goes, but I'll bring Penfold to the next Cambridge meet. The dryness is a bit unusual but it does suit. The bitterness is pretty good, lots of flavour with a well-rounded kick, rather than just a bland slap in the face! Very pale and bubbly now, but definetly not a girly lager :wink:
Hopefully the others will add a decent summary of this 'free' beer after we meet.

If anyone is reading this with the intention of picking up a tip, here's one; after the hops have been boiled once they'll sit themselves at the bottom of the boiler, wedged under the element if at all possible. Poke them out of the way until the boil's rolling or you'll be standing there like a lemon wondering why the boil isn't quite rolling like normal...

Cheers all,
ML.

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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by Maltloaf » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:02 pm

Finally giving this a little test (the only option - it's all in small bottles :wink: ) so I thought I'd better stop being lazy and give Jim's an update.

Penfold was a real cracker, very stable - it wasn't going to dry out anymore! Hop flavour remains nicely balanced - not softening as much as a normal brew.

The US05 got S.G. of DangerMouse down to 1042 at bottling time, not much of a change given how mad it went when I threw it in. It's now been bottled 9 weeks so I really shouldn't be trying it yet...but you know how it is :D

Yowzer, it's a belter! Reeeesult! It's still a bit green and the carbonation is low but I could really do myself some damage with this! Amazing deep colour, thick, but not cloying at first sip (not like a lot of commercial barley wines - I reckon I've got the balance pretty close) with a smooth smooth wave of flavour and alcohol. Hop flavour follows after, but not bitter, just there.

If you've ever wondered how our ancestors lived on beer alone (and enjoyed it!), brew one of these monsters.
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Re: Partigyle - DangerMouse & Penfold

Post by FlourPower » Sat May 01, 2010 3:46 pm

Maltloaf wrote:
Now, here's a question for anyone who's runoff the mash tun into two seperate boils & brews - do you reckon the distribution of sugar types is even? More complex sugars first? I can theorise that the later runnings had had more time to be mashed, especially as I don't sparge very hot ( i.e. I may not have arrested the mash enzymes), but it was a decent 90 min mash. I ask because Penfold was at 1005 when I bottled - that was all grain, remember, no household sugar in the weaker brew.

Splitting the first runnings isn't a partigyle. Usually you split the runnings, make two seperate worts and mix them together in different quantities for final fermentation. I think this is so that the differing sugars do mix but I couldn't say for sure. Shut up about Barclay Perkins had some interesting partigyling this week actually. Might be worth a look.
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