AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

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AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Naich » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:38 am

Supposed to be Graham's Pendle Witches Brew from his excellent book.

The whole thing was a cockup from start to spectacular finish. I did the water treatment the night before, but forgot to check it afterward, so I've no idea if it was OK or not. Anyway, on with the brew day. Obligatory grain shot:

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Traditional brewday lunch while the water heated - ludicrous toasted sandwich. This time it was cheddar, mozerella, onion, tomato, potato and lashings of tomato sauce:

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The liquor was about 3C above the strike temperature, so I used the large lump of copper of my fermenter chiller to cool it, dipping it in the hot liquor until it was too hot to hold, then cooling it in the cold sparge water. Each time I did this the temperature dropped by 1C, so I was able to correct it pretty quickly.

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The mash went OK, except I forgot to take a PH reading, so I've still no idea if the water treatment was OK. It only dropped about 1C over the 1 3/4 hours it ended up in there for. It got a bit stuck on the first sparge and I had to prod it with a spoon. Here are some bubbles from the second sparge:

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To my delight, I found I had spot on 29L in the boiler. Shame I forgot to put the hop filter in though. Swear... drain... fit... refill. I then left it until the evening to do the boil, once the kids were in bed.

Much screaming, tantrums and shouting later (and the kids were even worse), I got the boil on and tried a spot of first wort hopping by lobbing the first Fuggles in as it heated up:

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I noticed that the tap was sagging slightly (the plastic goes a little bendy when boiling), which would raise the hop filter off the bottom of the boiler, so I propped it up with a couple of bits of skanky pallet wood from the kindling pile. Amazingly, I remembered the Whirfloc and 10 minute hops (Fuggles).

At flameout (more Fuggles) I tried increasing the flow through the IC this time, and found that the wort cooled quicker and was down to 24C in about 45 minutes. I started filling the FV, lots of splashing and aerating.

It was almost to the 23L level - I'd got the quantity spot on, and I was just thinking about how it had all come together, despite some cockups, when the two bits of manky pallet wood that were propping up the tap dropped into the wort with a plop that turned my heart to stone. I desperately pulled them out and scraped the dead spiders, sawdust and filth from the wort as best I could.

So much for spending all that time steralising everything. I might as well have wiped my arse on the stirring spoon. God knows what sort of horrible things are in there now. This wasn't nicely planed wood for shelves that I infused my wort with, it was dirty, crusty, filthy stuff that was destined for burning and had been sitting outside for months.

I had rehydrated the yeast already, so I pitched it and put the lid on. Is there a slim chance that a large batch of healthy yeast can beat up and eat whatever vile bugs I've put in there? If not then at least I get to experience what an infected batch is like. This morning I found that the yeast are certainly going for it and are erupting out of the airlock. It smells OK too. I don't dare hope though. For what it's worth, this is what I ended up with (along with all the dust and spider poo) - at 1.049, a gnats over the 1.048 it should have been:

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The next opportunity I've got for a brew day is in 3 weeks time. Good lord, I'll have almost run out of beer by the time it's ready. Eek!

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by JontyR » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:54 am

That's a fantasrtic tale Naich, it had me chuckling away. Hopefully the brewing gods will smile on you and your beer will be grand! Thanks for sharing that.

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Naich » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:18 am

Cheers mate. I've never had an infection before, but I'll be surprised if this one makes it.

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by 196osh » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:50 pm

I would have re boiled it sans hops for 15 mins.

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Naich » Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:23 pm

196osh wrote:I would have re boiled it sans hops for 15 mins.
Ah, didn't think of that. Bugger. I'll see if I can remember that next time. You know how it is when something goes catastrophically wrong - panic stations, running around in little circles and screaming :)

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by DrewBrews » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:18 pm

On the plus side, you took some great photos :)

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Naich » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:54 pm

DrewBrews wrote:On the plus side, you took some great photos :)
Thanks :) I've just this minute put the chiller in - I was going to do it as soon as it was in the FV, but (surprise) I had left a vital part of it at work, so I had to wait until this evening. So it's now had a day of fermenting at about 29C, according to the thermometer I just put on it. It'll be a day or so until it gets down to something reasonable, so that's it pretty well pǝʞɔnɟ really, although the smells coming out are still right.

Now I'm waiting for the fermenter to split or a nuclear war to start or something... This is cursed beer.

Update: It was down to 23.9C this morning, so it spent about 36 hours at stupid temperatures. I don't know what effect this is going to have on the beer (which still smells OK).

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Spud395 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:00 pm

Keep us updated, just might be the secret ingredient.

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by floydmeddler » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:15 pm

pǝʞɔnɟ pǝʞɔnɟ pǝʞɔnɟ pǝʞɔnɟ - Always wanted to say that on this forum!!!

Sure this brew will be fine. Sounds like it already is!

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Jolum » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:35 pm

I desperately pulled them out and scraped the dead spiders, sawdust and filth from the wort as best I could.
That'll just add body to it Naich :wink:

Though my advice would be drink it asap :shock:
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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Naich » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:13 pm

Cheers guys. There are beer smells coming out the airlock now, which is a good sign :) I'm going to take an SG and have a taster tonight. If it's OK and it's down to FG by Saturday I'm going to rack to secondary with a whole load of finings and then keg it Tuesday evening. Hopefully that'll leave any nasties behind.

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Re: AG#4 - Easy on the pallet

Post by Naich » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:02 pm

My pallet wood and spider-infused beer turns out to be quite nice. The SG is still 1.014, which is a bit higher than I would normally expect but that's probably due to the yeast having a hard time when I cooked them at 29C for 24 hours. The flavour is not bad at all though. There's a hint of blackcurrant in there but there's no huge off-flavour ruining it. Phew.

I'm thinking of changing the name - Lucky Escape... Got Wood... Spider Leg Ale... Refined Pallet... Suggestions? :)

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by RichardG » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:12 am

I probably wouldn't go with 'Got wood'. Don't want to frighten anyone!

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by Naich » Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:06 pm

It might put people off drinking it though. The last batch was really nice but I bottled it and keep having to give bottles away. Bah!

As for the beer itself, all activity seems to have stopped and it's stuck fast at 1.014. I don't think it's really worth pitching more yeast for the last few points so the plan is to keg it tomorrow.

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Re: AG#4 - Probably rancid vinegar

Post by danbrew » Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:43 pm

Next time.... When you might not be so lucky... Rather than boil for another 15 minutes to drive off the dead wood/ bugs (and also hops) you could have considered adding campden tablets instead. Chuck the campdens in, wait 24 hours then get the yeast in. But well done anyway... I didn't drop any wood in mine which fermented at similar temps and it tastes like sh1t!

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