Saison de Sauvin (and taking the new kit for a test drive)

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Saison de Sauvin (and taking the new kit for a test drive)

Post by lancsSteve » Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:53 pm

New kit!!!
Decided best way to test new brewery kit was to do a brew with it :-D The background to the kit and purchase from Aleman is here the brew shed build is here (while my old stuff is for sale - PM me if interested!)

Not a full outing - not yet confident enough of joints and leak proofing and processes to pump hot wort around but hot water seemed a good idea so set it all up as a tiered gravity feed job by bringing metal shelving out of cellar (a right PITA) and setting it up like this:
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The idea:
This one has been a long time planned - one of my top beers of last year was The Mumbler's Saison which used yeast we recultured form a moinette saison dupont I brought back from Bruges at Easter. I REALLY fell for Saisons on that Belbium trip though it was a little too cold weather wise for them to truly hit their sweet spot. I think they are both an amazing style as one of the most summery and refreshing beers styles I;ve ever had and a style that is at heart individual and artisinal. THese are homebrews on a larger scale and force you to reconsider a lot of the 'rules'.

One of the highlights of The Mumbler's beer, and also FarmBrew's excellent spelt saison at the NCB competition was their lightness, high attenuation anc carbonation and spritzy wine-like character. Everything I read about Nelson Sauvin hops in their sauvignon blanc character made it cry out as a partnership for me: a sparkling fizzy almost white-wine-like beer with a white-wine-like-hop. Got someNalson Sauvin hops a wee while back when passing Leyland Homebrew (not been easy to find of late :-(

The recipe:
AImed for 30litre brewlength (missed by a BIG margin) and 1.048 at the low end of the saison spectrum (missed that too by a good way) with a balanced bittterness of around 30IBUs giving a weighted balance of 0.53.

Fairly simple malt bill:
66.7% Weyermann Bohemian Pilsener (4.5kg)
20% Dingemaans Belgian Pale Malt (1.5kg)
13.3% Weyerman Munich 1 Malt (1kg)

Hopping schedule affected by high alpha values so first wort and late:
6g Nelson Sauvin 13.2%AAU - First Wort Hopped (10IBUs)
60g Nelson Sauvin 13.2% AAU - 10 minutes (22 IBUs)
6g (loose hops left in packet so lobbed in end of boil - 0IBUs

The yeast:
It's the yeast that makes this style more than anything else. The Mumbler and I as prev mentioned recultured the yeast from a bottle of Sasison DuPont I brough back. I'd still got a split section from the Mumbler from last summer in the fridge and made a small starter in a milk bottle - initially at room temp and then raised to Saison temps and stepped up in a demijohn and placed on a heated propogator tray:
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which put it to the toasty fermentation temps this yeast likes - slightly on the cool side even :shock:
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Re: Saison de Sauvin (and taking the new kit for a test driv

Post by lancsSteve » Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:41 pm

The brewday:
So I heated the mash liquor (and completely forgot to add any additions for water changes I'd panned... Then pumped it once it was at 69c into the pre-heated (via elec blanket element wrapped around it) mash tun by underletting it. Was 1 degree below target temp so added a kettle of boiling water to reach 63c - mashing low to get a nice fermentable wort:
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Aleman's usefully calibrated and corrected thermometer doing it's thing (the thing being making me happy I have a big dial thermometer on my mash tun mostly :-))
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Running off - I recirculated by hand as didn't want to use pump for sticky wort quite yet till I'd got joints checked, leaks sorted and a better handle on using the pump - spraying some hot water didn't worry me too much, hot wort is a different thing though!

Lost track of outflow and opened ball valve too far (oo focussed on getting this pic?)Image
So abandoned fly sparge plan and went for batch instead -having heated the liquor inkettle and pumped it up to the high up HLT. Had a few issues with pumping and running pump dry for a second or two a few times having left ball valves in wrong position on either kettle or pump setup or HLT or mash tun but don't think any damage done... [-o<

After putting in the immersion coil and protafloc at 15 minutes I then added the bul of the NZ Nelson Sauvin hops at 10 minutes to get lots of aroma and flavour - smell of passionfruit was incredible!
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Cooling - and running the outflow into the HLT for future cleaning usage, cooled to 27c and then lid on and left for a wee while as I sorted out FV and other bits and bobs.
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Running off - nice and clear!
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Starter - cooled in cellar overnight and liquid poured off leaving nice big slurry:
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Obligatory FV tap left open aftermath shot #-o (spotted fairly quickly :) :
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Cold break - LOVE protafloc!
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Running off:
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End results:
Very short on length and high on gravity - no harm on either front in fact and inevitable for new kit IMHO:
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The gravity I AWLAYS seem to hit in these circumstances:
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I should maybe write a book or blog called "1060 and all that" the number of times I've ended up on that gravity despite other plans!

It's now in fermentation cab - a fridge in cellar hooked up to ATC800+ witha brewbelt in the fridge for warming and fridge for cooling. Fermener initially closed with arilock - was already bubbling violently within a few hours so opened up as kreausen was forming to help keep ambient temp regulation closer to liquid temp.

Started it at 27c and will then step up 1c every 1-2 days to reach expected 32c after 8 days or max of 35c if needed (no -REALLY! :shock: that's the way the dupont saison yeast rolls!!!

Was a GREAT (though exhausting) day - blown away by aroma and flavour of Nelson Sauvin hops: passionfruit at the fore but in a really food-and-drink wine appreciation way.

Finished the brewshed - you can see heat prooofing dev in the background on some of these shots.

Pump worked brilliantly, flow control was good and intuitive/easy to understand. Very very few leaks or issues so next time hope to pump recirc wort and transfer to kettles too - though may stick to batch spargin for a while yet unless I can sort out an underback to run in to and then pump from there as think fly spargin may be a bit tough.

LOVING the kit and the burner and boil and capacity.

All really, really good - also V excited that a first test brew came off so well, no disasters and a great tasting wort and BIG starter of amazing yeast so fingers x'd this one achieves high attenuation I'm looking for - and that I can get some appropriate bottles to put it in - have 29mm caps and capper need to find a source of champagne bottles!

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Re: Saison de Sauvin (and taking the new kit for a test driv

Post by leedsbrew » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:28 am

can't see any of your pics as I'm at work steve but glad your happy with your new set up!

I'm off to Bruge in May and can't wait to get into all the belgian madness! :D

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Re: Saison de Sauvin (and taking the new kit for a test driv

Post by Aleman » Fri Mar 25, 2011 10:42 am

=D> =D> =D>

Glad everything worked for you Steve. Getting a handle on that burner control takes a while but one you have you too can boil 46/47 litres in the kettle :D

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Post by lancsSteve » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:44 pm

Burner control was fine - really happy with that (thanks for demo and tips) was good to get it running and really happy with that. Also good to get a feel for heat radiation (much happier now I've got insulation in shed but also not as ferocious as feared.

Looking forward to running new kit in place next time - think I'm likely to batch sparge for a wee bit though

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Post by Aleman » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:00 pm

lancsSteve wrote:think I'm likely to batch sparge for a wee bit though
I ended up doing a lot of that as well TBH . . .although with the new kit I'm back to fly sparging

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Re: Saison de Sauvin (and taking the new kit for a test driv

Post by WishboneBrewery » Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:43 am

Looks like a pretty good run out on new kit.
Beer sounds good.

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Post by jimp2003 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:07 pm

Truly impressive set up Steve! I am not familiar with the saison style but I might have to look for some examples for sale in the UK.

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Post by Spud395 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:32 pm

Looking good Steve, I'll bet you never err in the other direction all the same:)

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Post by Gricey » Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:55 pm

Love the MT thermometer :D
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Fermenting: FV1: AG#18 English IPA FV2: AG#19 Summer Dunkelweizen
Conditioning: AG#16 Chimay Reddish, AG#17 Amarillo Brillo
Maturing: AG#05 B.O.R.I.S.: Bricksh*tter Oatmeal Russian Imperial Stout - ready 01/10/11, AG#07 Monkey Shot! IAPA - ready 16/06/11 maybe
Drinking: AG#11, AG#14, AG#15
Planning: AG#20 Summer Hefeweisen, AG#21 Saison Brettre, AG#22 Simcoe Poisoning Red IPA, AG#23 Oatmeal Stout

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Post by lancsSteve » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:05 am

Cellar stinks of this beer almost fermented out after 2 1/2 days in fv it's down to 1.006 (corrected)

Never formed much yeast head till temp raised to nearer 30c from initial 27, major activity and yeast clumps swirling around now starting to flocculate out but recon it has a few more points to crawl through

Tastes nice really White wine hint on the nose

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Post by pantsmachine » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:04 pm

Nice brew set up, glad you got the 1st one out the way. Don't suppose you fancy doing a yeast sample for 100grmm hops swap on your Saison yeast? I wouldn't mind trying to make one of those.

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Post by pantsmachine » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:12 am

Just having a read on Saison style, wow! Lots of choice, lots of variation and turns my little IPA world upside down, EXCELLENT,low IBU, low gravity, high ferment temps, stepped mashes, Big ass champagne bottles. In for a penny and all that. I've got orange flavoured candi waiting in the freezer, Hallertau tradition hops, i'll use M.O & wheat, tinned peaches and their syrup in this one i think along with dried apricots and cardamom seeds form the turkish market. OH YES! =D> =D> =D>

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Post by Gricey » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:53 am

im jealous and will be dispatching my ninjas to your yeast bank!

Mine has only dropped 2 points a week after adding the champers... getting worried about what it means for carbonation now...
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Fermenting: FV1: AG#18 English IPA FV2: AG#19 Summer Dunkelweizen
Conditioning: AG#16 Chimay Reddish, AG#17 Amarillo Brillo
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Re: Saison de Sauvin (and taking the new kit for a test driv

Post by lancsSteve » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:09 am

pantsmachine wrote:Just having a read on Saison style, wow! Lots of choice, lots of variation and turns my little IPA world upside down,
Has a tendancy to do that! Markowski's book 'Farmhouse Ales' is an excellent read: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Farmhouse-Ales- ... B002I5E43E
pantsmachine wrote:EXCELLENT,low IBU, low gravity, high ferment temps, stepped mashes, Big ass champagne bottles.
For Belgian's they (can) have fairly high IBUs and certainly a high hop flavour and aroma profile: 20-35 IBUs normal, higher not unheard of. Gravities can be variable but super-saisons are high (7-8% ABV), the fermentation temps are CRAZY blood-warm affairs. Stepped-mashes are traditional but not necessarily needed (a low temp, highly fermentable single infusion is fine - unless you;re doing cereal mashes etc)
pantsmachine wrote:In for a penny and all that. I've got orange flavoured candi waiting in the freezer, Hallertau tradition hops, i'll use M.O & wheat, tinned peaches and their syrup in this one i think along with dried apricots and cardamom seeds form the turkish market. OH YES! =D> =D> =D>
Sounds very interesting - some fruit at the end could work really well (in secondary? or in boil...) very fantome. They are to my mind THE most refreshing beers I've ever had - where hoegaarden or wit points to on a hot sunny day is where these guys are already relaxing.
Gricey wrote:im jealous and will be dispatching my ninjas to your yeast bank!

Mine has only dropped 2 points a week after adding the champers... getting worried about what it means for carbonation now...
Sorry bout your experience - I see you used the wlp 'Saison' yeast (which I see is listed as only medium attenuation!!! ALso it comes with notes about stalled fermentation and other issues - from further reading it sounds to me like they went for a single strain while dupont still use multi strain yeasts so I'll have all 4 including a bit of a wild one and wlp565 may only be the dominant flavour one. Yours could be done - I'd prime and bottle now and then try and get the real thing from a bottle (or a split off of me) as this one from the bottle seems to be a blinder. I have three splits: one for pantsmachine, one for bottling and one to hold pending restock/restart with new bottles after Belgian trip including stopping at Brasserie Dupont in about 3 weeks time :-D You still fermented it enough to make a nice beer so perhaps one to remember that these yeasts are NOTORIOUSLY temperamental and try using the originals in future rather than white labs cleaned up versions? Sounds like a good excuse to shop here: http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/acatalog ... ml#aBES575

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