AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

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AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:19 pm

Hi guys,

Brewed this one on Saturday in the glorious weather:

Batch size = 46 litres
IBU = 50

Pale malt = 10kg
Crystal = 500g

Chinook - 40g - 60mins
Chinook - 24g - 15mins
Cascade - 56g - 15mins
Chinook - 56g - 0mins
Cascade - 80g - 0mins
Apollo - 40g - 0mins

Dry hop to be confirmed...

This is my own recipe with some influence from a post on here I read. My last brew viewtopic.php?f=24&t=78197 was similar but there was a suggestion to not use apollo for bittering, to aim for 30ibus for bittering, a flavour addition at 15mins to bring it up to 50ibus then a 20 min steep at flameout/switchoff. The mash was rather longer than anticipated, as we went for a family bike ride and after a visit to the pub and a change of inner tube due to hawthorn punctures, I was delayed by several hours. I recently knocked up a sparge arm with bits and bobs I had in the garage - basically take https://www.bes.co.uk/1-2in-flanged-plug-with-undercut and drill 6 holes in the undercut section, then put a nut on it and hey presto (see below photo) - seems to work a treat.

The brew itself went ok, but the boil pot (50 litres) was full to the brim and despite spraying water and stirring, I had to retreat and turn the power off as it boiled over! I really need to find shrouds for the elements, but times are tight so unless someone has a cheap way to do it, I'll just have to be more careful in future! I'm trying to increase my batch sizes without buying a bigger boil pot, so I'm trying to brew stronger beers and will attempt to dilute after fermentation when the beers are kegged (diluting to around 5% ABV). My plan is to take some water, boil for 15mins, cool as fast as possible, then put say 5 litres of this in a corny keg, then top up to 19 litres with beer. I've read that this will minimise the oxygen in the water, but any tips appreciated... I dont want to end up with cardboard. I'm yet to do the maths fully, but approximately my 43 litres will stretch to 59 litres of roughly 5% ABV, so planning to fill two cornys and most of a KKTT.

If diluting after fermentation is a bad idea, let me know. I will probably look at getting one or two larger fermenters, and top up prior to fermenting next time to avoid messing around.

Ended up with fermenter one with 21 litres at 1.065 and fermenter two with 22 litres at 1.073.

Fermenter one is fermenting with Mangrove Jacks M44 and fermenter two has Mauribrew Ale 514, which is a new one to me (it has blown the airlock off the fermenter! seems potent!)

A few photos:

ImageUntitled by Ben, on Flickr

ImageUntitled by Ben, on Flickr

ImageUntitled by Ben, on Flickr

ImageUntitled by Ben, on Flickr

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ImageUntitled by Ben, on Flickr

ImageUntitled by Ben, on Flickr
Planning: BrewEasy system build; possibly a Wychwood Hobgoblin Gold clone
Fermenting: Simcoe SMASH
Drinking: Cascade Centennial Pale

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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by alix101 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:22 pm

Can't go wrong with that really. ..
Looks a good brew day think the cascade might be blown away by the chinook bur that's not a bad thing.
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by fego » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:20 am

On the boil over,at those levels you may have prevented it if you had held back the final runnings, say 2 litres, let the rest boil and evaporate a bit then drip the final running back in over time to not drop the boil too much. I've used that method several times to good effect but it does mean you need to hover over the boiler for the first half hour.

I've used bottled soda water to dilute post fermentation before. Saves all that hassle of boiling cooling and no oxygen either.
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:00 pm

fego wrote:I've used bottled soda water to dilute post fermentation before. Saves all that hassle of boiling cooling and no oxygen either.
Cheers fego, thats a good tip - would sparkling water be suitable? Is that the same as soda water?! https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product ... lsrc=aw.ds
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by fego » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:53 am

Yep.
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:37 pm

update
fermenter one - MJ M44 - 1.040
fermenter two - Mauribrew 514 - 1.014

quite a difference after 3days
Planning: BrewEasy system build; possibly a Wychwood Hobgoblin Gold clone
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:12 pm

looks like fermenter one has stalled - still at 1.040 after 5 days. Tasted a sample - couldn't detect anything nasty... I've swirled the fermenter to see if that helps.
Planning: BrewEasy system build; possibly a Wychwood Hobgoblin Gold clone
Fermenting: Simcoe SMASH
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:49 am

fermenter one - MJ M44 - 1.020 - dry hopped with 50g Chinook and 50g Cascade
fermenter two - Mauribrew 514 - 1.014 - dry hopped with 30g Chinook and 30g Cascade
Planning: BrewEasy system build; possibly a Wychwood Hobgoblin Gold clone
Fermenting: Simcoe SMASH
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by Haydnexport » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:31 am

id dilute before fermentation, ive had to do dilution a few times now after brewing beers too strong , diluting after seems to thin the beer a lot. you could mixe some weaker beer you have with it tho? or brew it again weaker and blend them together.
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:40 pm

fermenter one - MJ M44 - 1.006 - this yeast has blitzed the last few days
fermenter two - Mauribrew 514 - 1.010

so... fermenter one has 20 litres of 7.74% and fermenter two has 21 litres of 8.27%...

anyone want to help me with some maths?? If I dilute both beers with sparkling water to 5%, how much water do I need to add??!!
Planning: BrewEasy system build; possibly a Wychwood Hobgoblin Gold clone
Fermenting: Simcoe SMASH
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by WalesAles » Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:31 pm

cerbera84 wrote:fermenter one - MJ M44 - 1.006 - this yeast has blitzed the last few days
fermenter two - Mauribrew 514 - 1.010

so... fermenter one has 20 litres of 7.74% and fermenter two has 21 litres of 8.27%...

anyone want to help me with some maths?? If I dilute both beers with sparkling water to 5%, how much water do I need to add??!!
cerb,
Before you start diluting, why not bottle some at those ABV`s as they are?
Then compare the taste, colour, aroma etc after diluting. :D
Just a thought!

WA


If this was my Brew I would bottle them all and tell anyone who drinks them that they are 4.5% but smell strong! #-o

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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:09 pm

Haydnexport and WalesAles have persuaded me, I'll just keg these into two cornies and drink them as they are!
Planning: BrewEasy system build; possibly a Wychwood Hobgoblin Gold clone
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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by WalesAles » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:18 pm

cerbera84 wrote:Haydnexport and WalesAles have persuaded me, I'll just keg these into two cornies and drink them as they are!
cerb,
You are now a fully paid up member of the `ELC`! =D>
Don`t you just love JBK.

WA

Don`t forget to post the pics of you falling down after 2 or 3 pints! :D

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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by Haydnexport » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:22 am

There going to be some serious leg wobblers them beers ! Probably not session beers but i bet they're good :D

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Re: AG#17 - Cascade Chinook Apollo Pale

Post by cerbera84 » Tue May 16, 2017 9:25 pm

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here's the end result from fermenter one! nice drop with a good aroma but you definitely feel it at 7.7%. sadly it would appear that I've lost fermenter two to a slight infection - tastes slightly yeasty/medicinal from the keg (can't quite describe the taste, but its not like fermenter one!) - the airlock did blow off on this one so maybe thats the reason. Hopefully my new 100L stainless fermenter will prevent this in the future. Also I think I'll stick to Mangrove Jacks/US-04/05 yeasts in future, not a good start for Mauribrew
Planning: BrewEasy system build; possibly a Wychwood Hobgoblin Gold clone
Fermenting: Simcoe SMASH
Drinking: Cascade Centennial Pale

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