St Austell - Admiral's Ale Recipe

[floydmeddler]

Hey folks,

My mate is putting the final touches to his brewery and is supping this at the minute. I told him I'd put the word out round here in the hope of a clone recipe. Does anyone have one?

Here's the description:

...uniquely brewed using our own Cornish Gold malt. Locally grown barley is traditionally malted using a special kilning process which develops a deeper intensity of colour and flavour than ordinary barley malt. Blended with both Styrian Golding and Cascade hops, the result is a deep bronze ale with a delicious rich biscuit flavour and a wonderful spicy aroma.

Also, has anyone ever cultured the yeast from a St Austell ale? Would like to use this to ferment it if possible.

Cheers!

[Eadweard]

Cornish gold malt is more commonly known as munich malt.

[coatesg]

100% Munich is the easy bit to somewhere about 1050
30IBU Styrians for bittering
Cascade and styrians late - though no idea how much, but cascade is very strongly flavoured, and it's not that overpowering IMHO so I would use more styrians than cascade myself.

St Austell yeast is OK to culture from bottle (though my batch of yeast I cultured was a bit dodgy smelling so I ditched it...)

[floydmeddler]

Cheers lads. Good to have a starting point.

[WishboneBrewery]

Its a cracking beer.
St. Austell's head brewer Roger Ryman is a top bloke who replies to emails

Admiral's Ale is brewed with 100% Cornish Gold malt, with no pale. Cornish Gold was developed in conjunction with Tucker's malting, ton replace existing Munich malt with Cornish Grown barley. As part of the development, Cornish Gold is exclusive to St Austell Brewery. As is is made on a l=kiln, not a roasting drum, the enzymes in the malt are stilling tact and it can be mashed on its own without pal malt.

The hope in Admirals are Styrian Golding Type 90 pellets in the copper, and then the brew is cast over a blend on whole leaf Cascade and Styrian Goldings. The BU's are not over powering (approx 30IBU) as there is quite an astringency coming from the roast of the malt.

Have fun if you are going to have a go at this!! I hope it all works out.

Roger

So maybe make that an 80c steep with a mix of Styrians & Cascade, I've done an all-munich beer and my efficiency went down, maybe used 20% or so regular pale malt and 80% Munich.

[floydmeddler]

Again, thanks. Will keep you posted if he brews it up. Just the HLT to build now and he's officially in the DARK SIDE...

[befuggled]

I made a St Austell starter last year.

I made a 1L starter wort (100gms of dried malt extract) and put it in a demijohn, and then dumped the last 30ml or so of a few bottles, swirled round, into the wort.
I can't remember the exact number of Proper Job bottles I used, about 5 or 6. It was a very hard time removing the entirely unnecessary top 470ml of each bottle and I became slightly dizzy.

It started very quickly and it would undoubtedly have worked perfectly well with the sediment from only one bottle!

I used this on a Proper Job clone and then on a further 15 brews, removing some of the yeast head and passing it on one or two at a time.
Went like a rocket every time

The system failed at last when I ran out of space

I have however got some bottled Old Linguist which used this yeast , so I could start again (but I also have about 15 bottles of Proper Job to use for quality control for my Improper Jobbies clones).

Make sure you use the "new" bottles, the old ones with the squadie and canon on the front are actually Thwaites yeast.
Search for Proper Job, yeast etc - I think it was Scooby who got this in an email from Roger, but I may be wrong, if so sorry!

[floydmeddler]

Cheers for the info BF. My mate has bought me a bottle (I said he must for research purposes) so I'll check the bottle / label then. Sounds like a reliable yeast then. Brilliant!

[floydmeddler]

Its a cracking beer.
St. Austell's head brewer Roger Ryman is a top bloke who replies to emails

Admiral's Ale is brewed with 100% Cornish Gold malt, with no pale. Cornish Gold was developed in conjunction with Tucker's malting, ton replace existing Munich malt with Cornish Grown barley. As part of the development, Cornish Gold is exclusive to St Austell Brewery. As is is made on a l=kiln, not a roasting drum, the enzymes in the malt are stilling tact and it can be mashed on its own without pal malt.

The hope in Admirals are Styrian Golding Type 90 pellets in the copper, and then the brew is cast over a blend on whole leaf Cascade and Styrian Goldings. The BU's are not over powering (approx 30IBU) as there is quite an astringency coming from the roast of the malt.

Have fun if you are going to have a go at this!! I hope it all works out.

Roger

So maybe make that an 80c steep with a mix of Styrians & Cascade, I've done an all-munich beer and my efficiency went down, maybe used 20% or so regular pale malt and 80% Munich.

Cheers for this info pdtnc. Here's what I've come up with:

Admiral's Ale Clone
8-C Extra Special/Strong Bitter (English Pale Ale)

Size: 25 L
Efficiency: 75.0%
Attenuation: 75.0%

Original Gravity: 1.051 (1.048 - 1.060)
Terminal Gravity: 1.013 (1.010 - 1.016)
Color: 9.19 (6.0 - 18.0)
Alcohol: 5.01% (4.6% - 6.2%)
Bitterness: 30.1 (30.0 - 50.0)

Ingredients:
5.0 kg Munich Malt
1 kg Maris Otter Pale Ale Malt
67.0 g Bobek (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 90 min
30 g Cascade (5.5%) - steeped after boil, 20 mins at 80c
30 g Bobek (4.5%) - steeped after boil, 20 mins at 80c

What do you think?

[WishboneBrewery]

pretty similar to what I was going to try...
Give it a go, I'll be very interested how it turns out

[floydmeddler]

Cool. My mate should be brewing it over the next few weeks. Will keep you posted. You going to culture their yeast?

[WishboneBrewery]

when I get round to brewing it... maybe, maybe not.

[leedsbrew]

Glad I found this thread! I'm about to run out of MO, but have 8kg of munich!

[WishboneBrewery]

I made this viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29982 with almost all Munich, Hopped-to-F**k, but the colour is lovely and red and tastes like it would be better with a lesser hopping schedule!!

[phatboytall]

Its a cracking beer.
St. Austell's head brewer Roger Ryman is a top bloke who replies to emails

Admiral's Ale is brewed with 100% Cornish Gold malt, with no pale. Cornish Gold was developed in conjunction with Tucker's malting, ton replace existing Munich malt with Cornish Grown barley. As part of the development, Cornish Gold is exclusive to St Austell Brewery. As is is made on a l=kiln, not a roasting drum, the enzymes in the malt are stilling tact and it can be mashed on its own without pal malt.

The hope in Admirals are Styrian Golding Type 90 pellets in the copper, and then the brew is cast over a blend on whole leaf Cascade and Styrian Goldings. The BU's are not over powering (approx 30IBU) as there is quite an astringency coming from the roast of the malt.

Have fun if you are going to have a go at this!! I hope it all works out.

Roger

So maybe make that an 80c steep with a mix of Styrians & Cascade, I've done an all-munich beer and my efficiency went down, maybe used 20% or so regular pale malt and 80% Munich.

Cheers for this info pdtnc. Here's what I've come up with:

Admiral's Ale Clone
8-C Extra Special/Strong Bitter (English Pale Ale)

Size: 25 L
Efficiency: 75.0%
Attenuation: 75.0%

Original Gravity: 1.051 (1.048 - 1.060)
Terminal Gravity: 1.013 (1.010 - 1.016)
Color: 9.19 (6.0 - 18.0)
Alcohol: 5.01% (4.6% - 6.2%)
Bitterness: 30.1 (30.0 - 50.0)

Ingredients:
5.0 kg Munich Malt
1 kg Maris Otter Pale Ale Malt
67.0 g Bobek (4.5%) - added during boil, boiled 90 min
30 g Cascade (5.5%) - steeped after boil, 20 mins at 80c
30 g Bobek (4.5%) - steeped after boil, 20 mins at 80c

What do you think?

Floyd,

How did this turn out? anything like the real thing? dying to give it a go!

Thanks
Ed