Bath Ales: Gem

PaulStat · Post by **PaulStat** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 8:44 pm

Hi folks,

For my very first recipe I wish to do a Gem clone. Any ideas?

http://www.bathales.com/ales/gem.html

Cheers,
Paul

CrownCap · Post by **CrownCap** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:25 pm

Tis a nice pint, Gem, well balanced.

Website says Maris Otter, some wheat and East Kent Goldings.

Could try something like 4.7kg pale malt (MO if you can get it) and 100g wheat malt. EKG to about 25-30 IBU for bittering and a good English ale yeast (something not too attenuative).

PaulStat · Post by **PaulStat** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:42 am

CrownCap wrote:Tis a nice pint, Gem, well balanced.

Website says Maris Otter, some wheat and East Kent Goldings.

Could try something like 4.7kg pale malt (MO if you can get it) and 100g wheat malt. EKG to about 25-30 IBU for bittering and a good English ale yeast (something not too attenuative).

hehe I think you might have to spell it out for me seeing as this is the first time i've ever brewed anything.

What is EKG? What is IBU (hops?)? What yeast would you recommend? And what size batch would 4.7kg and 100g of wheat malt produce? I aim to do 5G batches.

maxashton · Post by **maxashton** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:45 am

EKG is East Kent Goldings, IBU is a measurement of bitterness.
Do you have any brewing software, Paul?

As to yeast, probably just try Nottingham or S-04.

PaulStat · Post by **PaulStat** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:59 am

maxashton wrote: Do you have any brewing software, Paul?

Nope, what do you recommend?

maxashton · Post by **maxashton** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:12 am

I personally use BeerTools Pro, but there are loads of others like ProMash and Beer Alchemy.

PaulStat · Post by **PaulStat** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:02 am

Just been looking on Barley Bottom and EKG is out of stock for a fair while. Any ideas where else I might get it?

maxashton · Post by **maxashton** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:19 am

hop and grape, brewgenie, hopshopuk

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:27 pm

If your efficiency is circa 75%, the above grain bill will get you to circa 5% ABV.

If you order the EKGs from Hop and Grape here @ 4.7 AA, then the following hop schedule will get you to 30 IBU â€¦ adding what has already been suggested â€¦

Maris Otter 4.7 kg
Wheat Malt 100g
EKG 40g full boil
EKG 30g last 10 mins
Yeast Safale S-04

andyp · Post by **andyp** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:52 pm

In any case, If you can't get East Kent, ordinary Goldings would be very close.

CrownCap · Post by **CrownCap** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:59 pm

Recipe from Norman posted here.

Presume this is for the draught version (lower gravity). Includes crystal and a smidgen of chocolate malt. Makes sense as its definitely got a bit of colour and body to it (more than I'd expect from pale malt alone), despite those ingredients not being listed on their website.

Also uses Challenger for bittering, Goldings for flavour. Sounds plausible, but you won't go wrong if you used Matt's all Goldings hop schedule.

Frisp · Post by **Frisp** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:13 pm

When Norm Says CHOCOLATE MALT LOW.
What does he mean. is that a specialist malt of is it low quantities of Chocolate malt?

oblivious · Post by **oblivious** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:41 pm

Frisp wrote:When Norm Says CHOCOLATE MALT LOW.
What does he mean. is that a specialist malt of is it low quantities of Chocolate malt?

Maybe pale chocolate malt?, its a less intense flavored and colored version of chocolate malt

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:37 pm

I'd just use 30g of ordinary choc malt instead, it can only lend a hint.

IMHO any stab at a recipe, or an almanac recipe will only get you in the ballpark.

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