80 ltr Thermo box to mash tun conversion

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80 ltr Thermo box to mash tun conversion

Post by Vossy1 » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:49 pm

80 ltr Thermo box to mash tun conversion

The bits

80ltr Thermo Box £84.85 from Nordic Optical on e-bay
½” ball valve, part # 10397, £16.37
½” brass nipple, part # 6576 £1.08
Both from www.bes.co.uk
2 x ½” hole diameter stainless steel washers £0.90 from a local BSA parts shop, or from below :wink:
(M22 washers form B from here www.a2stainless.co.uk)
1 x 15mm compression 90 deg elbow, £1, local plumbers merchants
1 x ¾ “ flange nut £0.50, local plumbers merchants
1 x compression coupler ½” female to 15mm compression £1.20, local plumbers merchants
6 x M3 x 12mm button head bolts, 6 x M3 spring washers, 6 x M3 nuts, in stainless steel (already had)
JB Weld
Masking tape and pencil

False bottom 443mm circumference from www.hopandgrape.co.uk £60
M3 x 6mm button head bolts x 60, stainless (boltmeup, E-bay) £4.48
M3 spring washers x 100, stainless (unifixed, E-bay) £1.35
M3 Nuts x 50, stainless (E-bay) £1.94

Expanding foam and stainless sheet (already had)

Total cost £173.67
(not including consumables, labour and tools)

Tools

A drill, 20 & 40mm hole saw bits, 3mm HSS drill bit, angle grinder, dremmel, 15mm copper tube cutter, knife, tape measure

The first thing to do was to place the tun on a surface and ensure it was level using a sprit level. I put some masking tape at the top of the tun, roughly where I thought the centre of the tun was. I also put some masking tape on the bottom of the tun directly under the top piece of masking tape
I measured the distance between the 2 handles on the tun and marked the point on the masking tape half way between the 2.
Using the spirit level vertically I marked the vertical position for the ball valve on the bottom piece of masking tape.

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Before I could mark the point at which to drill the hole for the ball valve I needed to
know where the inner skins base sat, in relation to the outer skin of the tun.
To do this I used a tape measure to first measure the height of the inner skin.
I then measured the height of the outer skin and subtracted one from the other to give me a rough idea of the position of the base of the inner skin. It just so happened to be in line with the recess at the base of the outer skin.

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Next I flipped the tun upside down so I could measure the centre point of the base of the tun. I then masked of the area of the base which I would need to remove in order to attach the bottom outlet and associated fittings

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I drilled though the centre hole from the outside of the tun, through both inner and outer skins using the auber form the hole saw bit, the idea being I would then drill the main outlet hole from within the tun avoiding burrs.
I flipped the tun back upright and got the first surprise. The centre hole on the outside of the tun did not match up with the centre of the inner skin, it was at least 10mm out. To make sure the take off was central in the tun I re marked the central point of the inner skin, and using a 20mm hole saw bit, drilled a new hole, which luckily meant the previously drilled hole was removed with the core taken out…phew.

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The next stage was to remove the outer skin from the base of the tun so there would be room to attach the fittings for the take off tube and the ball valve….break out the angle grinder and safety glasses :lol:

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The angle grinder did a great job of removing the bulk but it was necessary to use a dremmel type tool to finish the cuts at the right angles and near the lip of the tun

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Time to remove the foam insulation. I used a knife to cut it back to the inner skin

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Then the foam came out really easily

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It was quite well insulated

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With the foam removed I could recheck the position of the ball valve before drilling the hole for it. As it turned out the hole needed to be moved as the inner skin was slightly higher than I had measured.
I drilled the hole for the ball valve using a 20mm hole saw bit, using a constant supply of water to cool the drilled area and bit during the process. I used my dremmel thingy to remove the burrs from the drilled holes.
I thought I had drilled the ball valve hole high enough to avoid the lip of the outer skin, which I had removed….but I hadn’t.
This necessitated the use of the dremmel tool to grind the lip down so the compression coupler could be tightened up to the ball valve.

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I decided I wanted a bottom draining tun for ease of cleaning. This means in the future, that I will be able to clean the tun without having to move it, as it’s quite heavy.
I toyed round with ideas for the bottom take off before settling on this idea and mocking it up. It’s a standard 15mm compression elbow. I have removed the olive and nut from one end. I placed the elbow and a flange nut in a citric acid bath overnight, to ensure it was clean.
I applied some JB Weld to the thread of the elbow and then attached the flange nut facing upwards, smoothing any JB Weld that was squeezed from the joint and allowed it to dry overnight

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The flange nut is going to be attached from under neath the tun using 6 x M3 x 12mm button head bolts, nuts and spring washers, JB Weld will be used to form the seal being applied to the mating surfaces of the flange nut, tun, and elbow/flange nut combo, as in the mock up.

I drilled 6 x 3mm holes in the flange nut.

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I masked the area immediately surrounding the previously drilled outlet hole in the inner skin of the tun, and secured the flange nut in position using a 1/2" nipple. I drilled through the holes in the flange nut, through the inner skin. These were the holes that I had all the trouble with :evil:
I removed burrs from the holes with my dremmel and keyed the mating surface with the dremmel also.

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I was now in a position to fit the tap and outlet assembly, this is it exploded for easy reference. The washers have been cut down as the inner washer wouldn't fit neatly under the lip of the base of the thermo box and the outer washer went over the recess on the outside base of the thermo box.

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I applied plenty of PTFE tape to the nipple before screwing it into the ball valve. I pushed the ball valve nipple through the hole in the tun, and secured it with the coupler from the rear, using plenty of PTFE tape on the nipple before doing so.
I then offered the outlet elbow to it's position on the inner skin. This gave me the length of 15mm copper pipe required to connect the outlet to the ball valve. I cut the pipe to length and then re-offered it to the elbow/valve combo to ensure that it all lined up.

I treated the mating area of the elbow, the 6 bolts, nuts and washers to a citric acid bath and dry to get rid of any grease on their surfaces and also cleaned the mating surface of the thermo box with acid also.

I liberally applied JB Weld to the elbows flange nut, and aligned it with the holes in the inner skin of the thermo box.
I applied a small amount of JB to the button head of the bolt and passed them through the inner skin, securing on the underside of the thermo box with the spring washer and nut.
On passing the bolt through a amount of JB came through with the bolt and this was enough to seal the bolt/nut/washer combo on tightening.
It was then a case of tightening the compression fittings.

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Inside the tun….no dead space

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I placed the thermo box upside down and put a tea light candle inside it to speed up the drying process, leaving the valve open to allow hot gases to escape.
As soon as it's water tested I'll be re-foaming the base and sealing it with some spare stainless sheet that I have.
I will also be fitting a deflector to the outlet to prevent channelling.

I also bought a false bottom for it, as usual from John at the Hop & Grape, or should I rephrase that. MrsV1 got fed up of me trying to source an alternative so she ordered it for me for x-mas.
It was cut at 443mm and with the beer line around the outer edge it fits perfectly.
As usual the fb got the V1 treatment. It was supplied with no legs or handle as requested. I mapped out the leg positions using masking tape and then drilled 3mm holes in those positions.

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I used M3 x 6mm button head bolts as legs, secured with M3 spring washers and nuts.

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This is not meant to be a 'how to', though it could be, it's just how I've made my mash tun. It was awkward, and took more time than I thought it would. It would be far easier to take the ball valve through the side wall of the thermo box
My thanks go out to Derek Spedding of the NCBA and the CBA's Brewers Contact, for pointing me in the right direction on this project 8)
Last edited by Vossy1 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:03 am, edited 6 times in total.

Martin the fish

Post by Martin the fish » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:55 pm

Great post, great pic's, great big shiny mash tun. 8)

ColinKeb

Post by ColinKeb » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:59 pm

:shock: pure stainless sex ! :shock: :shock:

want one ! :D

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Post by Aleman » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:13 pm

Where is the emoticon for "We are not worthy"? :)

Awesome post Vossy, I'm probably going to do something very similar with my conversion,

prolix

Post by prolix » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:50 pm

Very nice vossy =D> I love it 8)

roger the dog

Post by roger the dog » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:32 am

Great work & pictures Vossy 8)

MightyMouth

Post by MightyMouth » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:53 am

Looks Great, does the false bottom fit tight against the sides?

You dont happen to have an email address or contact number for nordic optical do you? I tried emailing them through eBay but they haven't answered.

erebus

Post by erebus » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:04 pm

Nice one Vossy, that really is a thing of beauty.
But I have to ask, does you misses ever get jealous over you fascination with shiney beer equipment?

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Post by mixbrewery » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:34 pm

The Master of the Shinyness strikes again!
Brilliant job there V. 8)
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steve_flack

Post by steve_flack » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:09 pm

Good work Vossy....although I think you might have voided the warranty :lol:

Vossy1

Post by Vossy1 » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:10 pm

Cheers chaps :wink:
Looks Great, does the false bottom fit tight against the sides?
Nice and tight. The beer line makes up for any imperfections in the shape of the tun and any gap round the edges is less than the diameter of the fb holes, so nothing to worry about 8)
You dont happen to have an email address or contact number for nordic optical do you? I tried emailing them through eBay but they haven't answered.
Pm :wink:
But I have to ask, does you misses ever get jealous over you fascination with shiney beer equipment?
Nah, I think she's just glad that there's something to placate me...I get bored VERY easily :roll:
Good work Vossy....although I think you might have voided the warranty
:lol: :lol:

MightyMouth

Post by MightyMouth » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:21 pm

Thanks Vossy

eskimobob

Post by eskimobob » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:14 pm

Looking great Vossy! - Cunning idea to have it bottom draining.

MightyMouth

Post by MightyMouth » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:16 pm

I wonder how hard it would be to do a bottom drain on a Coolbox Mash tun? Might give it a try with mine.

anomalous_result

Post by anomalous_result » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:33 pm

Great post. Consider this one bookmarked.

And although it may have been easier for it to pop out the side i think it'll look a lot better inside and out the way you've done it.

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