Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
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Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
Hi,
Having struggled to get water tight seals on both my Nordic stock pot & bain marie, I got a friend of a friend to knock me up a 55mm long, custom brass 1/2" BSP thread runner/nipple, which had 25mm of thread one end, followed by a 5mm unthreaded gap, followed by another 25mm of thread at the other end.
With hindsight, I should have got him to leave a slightly bigger gap i.e 6mm to 8mm.
I used these measurement, as my idea was to keep this as perminant fixing, allowing me to add/remove the ball valve (likewise with the internal hop strainer). As such, it needed to be long enough to accomadate two locking nuts. I planned to use silicon O rings, as I've used these to good effect on my thermometer on my existing boiler.
Then on one end, it was 'rebated' to take a standard 15mm olive, for use on a compression joint. The whole thing had an internal diameter of 15mm.
Since there was still a chance of liquid ingress into the inner thread, I'd already planned to solder the inner lock nut in place. This worked better than I expected, as I got an excellent flow of solder, right the way through the joint.
The length gives a full thread into my ball valve + leaves enough 'slack' for the two lock nuts & associated O rings.
On final fitting, I decided to only use one O ring on the inside, as using one on the inside & outside, gave a little too much 'flex' when operating the ball valve. So instead of the outside O ring, I used a fibre washer, I then used a second fibre washer between the outside lock nut & ball valve, as this not only protected against leaks but also made it easier to remove the ball valve.
Since the change to the outside fibre washer, there is minimum flexing of the joint & not matter how hard I twist, pull, flex, turn the joint, it remains water tight, even with a 50L 'payload' in it
As this was custom made, I should be able to get any length/gap etc combination made up. This item wasn't that cheap, as the bloke making it, had to buy in the materials, die & 15mm drill bit but since he now has them, he's advised that any requests will be significantly cheaper.
So I'll be ordering again (with a larger 'gap' area), in the non too distant future, if anyone else is interested?
Happy brewing
Darren
Having struggled to get water tight seals on both my Nordic stock pot & bain marie, I got a friend of a friend to knock me up a 55mm long, custom brass 1/2" BSP thread runner/nipple, which had 25mm of thread one end, followed by a 5mm unthreaded gap, followed by another 25mm of thread at the other end.
With hindsight, I should have got him to leave a slightly bigger gap i.e 6mm to 8mm.
I used these measurement, as my idea was to keep this as perminant fixing, allowing me to add/remove the ball valve (likewise with the internal hop strainer). As such, it needed to be long enough to accomadate two locking nuts. I planned to use silicon O rings, as I've used these to good effect on my thermometer on my existing boiler.
Then on one end, it was 'rebated' to take a standard 15mm olive, for use on a compression joint. The whole thing had an internal diameter of 15mm.
Since there was still a chance of liquid ingress into the inner thread, I'd already planned to solder the inner lock nut in place. This worked better than I expected, as I got an excellent flow of solder, right the way through the joint.
The length gives a full thread into my ball valve + leaves enough 'slack' for the two lock nuts & associated O rings.
On final fitting, I decided to only use one O ring on the inside, as using one on the inside & outside, gave a little too much 'flex' when operating the ball valve. So instead of the outside O ring, I used a fibre washer, I then used a second fibre washer between the outside lock nut & ball valve, as this not only protected against leaks but also made it easier to remove the ball valve.
Since the change to the outside fibre washer, there is minimum flexing of the joint & not matter how hard I twist, pull, flex, turn the joint, it remains water tight, even with a 50L 'payload' in it
As this was custom made, I should be able to get any length/gap etc combination made up. This item wasn't that cheap, as the bloke making it, had to buy in the materials, die & 15mm drill bit but since he now has them, he's advised that any requests will be significantly cheaper.
So I'll be ordering again (with a larger 'gap' area), in the non too distant future, if anyone else is interested?
Happy brewing
Darren
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
Darren, I don't want to pi*s on your parade, but.....................that looked very familiar. I checked my box of fittings and appear to have a couple (with your soldered nut as part of it) Can't remember what they were for, but it would seem they are commercially available from an average plumbers merchant
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
BES sell 1/2" BSP nipples but they're only 25mm long. So if you have an alternative then I'd be interested & even if there is an alternative, it won't P*$$ on my parade, as half the enjoyment of my beer brewing, is this kind of thing & the very fact there's a similar offering, just goes to prove my idea/thoughts, was right on the money
Owww & mine is 100% brass, so non of that nasty lead stuff present either
Owww & mine is 100% brass, so non of that nasty lead stuff present either
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
If I get a chance I will try and get a photo...........sorry, wont be today
John
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
The 'o' ring on the inside still allows a leak path down the threads so you only need to seal on the outside. Edit just noticed you soldered the inner back nut so ignore that Your idea is very similar to a weldless spigot, I use them on my boiler for thermometer, sight tube and valve.
I use a coupler on the inside on the valve and outside on the thermometer and just the nipple for the sight tubes.
I use a coupler on the inside on the valve and outside on the thermometer and just the nipple for the sight tubes.
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
This was my solution to the 1/2" Ball valve attachment
Bought the bits (nipple and washer) and had it welded up at work. And used a Tap connector 15mm compression doofer to connect the hop strainer, which works a treat
Bought the bits (nipple and washer) and had it welded up at work. And used a Tap connector 15mm compression doofer to connect the hop strainer, which works a treat
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
Just a thought...
You can buy Brass 1/2" BSP Pipe threaded all the way down, nice and easy to saw a piece off and skim the ends up and had the countersink in a lathe.
You can buy Brass 1/2" BSP Pipe threaded all the way down, nice and easy to saw a piece off and skim the ends up and had the countersink in a lathe.
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
Now I do like the idea of that weldless spigot but suspect it's expensive being made of stainless?
I have seen brass thread runners but the only ones I've seen are only 25mm long, so if you've got access to anything longer then I'd be interested. The version I have, should have had a longer non-threaded section, so on the MK-II, I think I'll go for a 10mm section, as that would make a better sealing surface for the O rings.pdtnc wrote:Just a thought...
You can buy Brass 1/2" BSP Pipe threaded all the way down, nice and easy to saw a piece off and skim the ends up and had the countersink in a lathe.
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
Couplers/sockets are a couple of quid click and nipples not much more, a few pages onWaffty wrote:Now I do like the idea of that weldless spigot but suspect it's expensive being made of stainless?
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Re: Custom brass nipples/thread runners 1/2" BSP
http://www.chandleryworld.co.uk/acatalo ... tings.html
About Halfway down the page.
Should have bookmarked this when i saw it the first time.
About Halfway down the page.
Should have bookmarked this when i saw it the first time.