Filtering beer
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I think that's a very good point f00b4r! I think I have tried to eek out too much of the wort from the boiler before. I will definitely consider getting that DX filter and keep a close eye on the runnings from the kettle, and stop it sooner rather than later.
I'll do the same with the fermenter too and be careful with that.
I'll do the same with the fermenter too and be careful with that.
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Re: Filtering beer
Just in case your still considering filtering beer do so outside, my experience trying to plumb 2 x 10 inch filter housings between 2 cornies with a 5 micron and a 1 micron filter wasnt the most successful.
I ended up having to up the push pressure beyond the capacity of my plumbing and the filters bleed valves to contain.
the result was an atomised beer that managed to permeate all the soft furnishings in the spare room and landing and even the lining paper on the long drop wall down the stairwell, requiring a weekend devoted to a deep clean and a 2nd to replacing the stinky wall paper. So avoid such problems and dont do it in the spare room with the new bloody curtains and rugs.
unlike some of the examples displayed in here and other places the only time i draw a perfectly crystal clear pint is when im pulling the last full pint from a keg, so my suggestion is grab an opaque quaffing mug and focus on the flavour n quality of the brew **EDIT and only invite folk round when the kegs nearly empty
I ended up having to up the push pressure beyond the capacity of my plumbing and the filters bleed valves to contain.
the result was an atomised beer that managed to permeate all the soft furnishings in the spare room and landing and even the lining paper on the long drop wall down the stairwell, requiring a weekend devoted to a deep clean and a 2nd to replacing the stinky wall paper. So avoid such problems and dont do it in the spare room with the new bloody curtains and rugs.
unlike some of the examples displayed in here and other places the only time i draw a perfectly crystal clear pint is when im pulling the last full pint from a keg, so my suggestion is grab an opaque quaffing mug and focus on the flavour n quality of the brew **EDIT and only invite folk round when the kegs nearly empty
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ist update for months n months..
Fermnting: not a lot..
Conditioning: nowt
Maturing: Challenger smash, and a kit lager
Drinking: dry one minikeg left in the store
Coming Soon Lots planned for the near future nowt for the immediate
Fermnting: not a lot..
Conditioning: nowt
Maturing: Challenger smash, and a kit lager
Drinking: dry one minikeg left in the store
Coming Soon Lots planned for the near future nowt for the immediate
Re: Filtering beer
"the result was an atomised beer that managed to permeate all the soft furnishings in the spare room and landing and even the lining paper on the long drop wall down the stairwell," -- bugger, that sucks
Haha I do have some nice German ceramic steins.
I am still getting my filter, just to have a play with. It's actually one designed for hikers, but it claims to be a 0.1 micron absolute filter, so theoretically it should be capable of removing things like chill haze etc.
It comes tomorrow, fingers crossed. I'll be sure to post some before/after photos.
Haha I do have some nice German ceramic steins.
I am still getting my filter, just to have a play with. It's actually one designed for hikers, but it claims to be a 0.1 micron absolute filter, so theoretically it should be capable of removing things like chill haze etc.
It comes tomorrow, fingers crossed. I'll be sure to post some before/after photos.
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I just found another interesting thing, I might doing, since I was using Maris Otter, is a protein rest.
"In my experience (I get brilliant beer without filtration) the only way to get chill haze is to omit the protein rest with Maris Otter malt." - http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=280603
"In my experience (I get brilliant beer without filtration) the only way to get chill haze is to omit the protein rest with Maris Otter malt." - http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=280603
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Re: Filtering beer
f00b4r wrote:Some pretty thorough answers to your questions in this thread but something that also helped me with clarity was stopping being greedy with transfers from e.g. fermenter to keg, if you take all that time with the stuff outlined in this thread and then drag crap in at the end it seems a waste of a lot of effort for little beer.
So true.
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BS, an America site no doubt.chris2012 wrote:I just found another interesting thing, I might doing, since I was using Maris Otter, is a protein rest.
"In my experience (I get brilliant beer without filtration) the only way to get chill haze is to omit the protein rest with Maris Otter malt." - http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=280603
If you can stretch to Brewbuilder's FO filter you won't regret it, it can handle just about everything thrown at it, ask me how I know.
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Re: Filtering beer
Does seem a strange thing to say, especially as it was AJ deLange who said it . I don't think a protein rest with british malts is a good idea is it? It's not even a good idea now with most modern continental malts now.
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"If you can stretch to Brewbuilder's FO filter you won't regret it, it can handle just about everything thrown at it, ask me how I know. " - Haha, can that one handle pellets too then?
It's a bit out of my price range at the moment though, but maybe I'll save up.
Edit: dammit I just realised it says '39.5 cm' which I think may be bigger than my boiler.
It's a bit out of my price range at the moment though, but maybe I'll save up.
Edit: dammit I just realised it says '39.5 cm' which I think may be bigger than my boiler.
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I just got my filter:
I'm _very_ pleased with the results heh!
https://www.anfractuosity.com/homebrewi ... te-filter/
Although I'm definitely going to adjust my process!
I'm _very_ pleased with the results heh!
https://www.anfractuosity.com/homebrewi ... te-filter/
Although I'm definitely going to adjust my process!
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Re: Filtering beer
Any taste difference?chris2012 wrote:I just got my filter:
I'm _very_ pleased with the results heh!
https://www.anfractuosity.com/homebrewi ... te-filter/
Although I'm definitely going to adjust my process!
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Fermenting:
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Drinking: Southwold Again,
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Conditioning:
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Planning: Winter drinking Beer
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I'm going to do a proper side by side taste test now.
And later will try tasting them blind and seeing if I can tell them apart.
Edit: I'm sure there is a difference in taste.
Unfiltered: More of a bready aroma. Definitely seems to have more taste, bready, possibly more bitterness too I think.
Filtered: Less aroma Less bitterness and breadiness in taste. Definitely seems lighter to me in taste, although I won't say the original beer was brilliant.
And later will try tasting them blind and seeing if I can tell them apart.
Edit: I'm sure there is a difference in taste.
Unfiltered: More of a bready aroma. Definitely seems to have more taste, bready, possibly more bitterness too I think.
Filtered: Less aroma Less bitterness and breadiness in taste. Definitely seems lighter to me in taste, although I won't say the original beer was brilliant.
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Re: Filtering beer
It's what I feared but you will have to do a few more tests, with others too, to be sure the effect of filtering loses something in the beer, something that you would rather not lose just for the sake of clarity.chris2012 wrote:I
Unfiltered: More of a bready aroma. Definitely seems to have more taste, bready, possibly more bitterness too I think.
Filtered: Less aroma Less bitterness and breadiness in taste. Definitely seems lighter to me in taste, although I won't say the original beer was brilliant.
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Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,
Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer
Fermenting:
Conditioning:
Drinking: Southwold Again,
Up Next: John Barleycorn (Barley Wine)
Planning: Winter drinking Beer
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Yeah definitely I just tasted them again, someone else just tried some and said they preferred the filtered one. The original beer did have a kind of astringency possibly due to oversparging that wasn't the best.
I am definitely going to work on my process. But just for fun I think I'm going to filter all this batch, and use bottling yeast and sugar and see how it looks after bottling.
I am definitely going to work on my process. But just for fun I think I'm going to filter all this batch, and use bottling yeast and sugar and see how it looks after bottling.
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Re: Filtering beer
Beer is a colloid, so filtering it is going to change the taste, although whether that's for good or bad is up to you.
One word of warning - yeast cells are 1-5 microns in size. If you're using 0.1 micron filter then are you going to have enough yeast left to prime with?
One word of warning - yeast cells are 1-5 microns in size. If you're using 0.1 micron filter then are you going to have enough yeast left to prime with?
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Re: Filtering beer
Yeah, I'm definitely going to add bottling yeast. I've never added yeast before for bottling though, so I'd be interested in any recommendations
on what to use, and rough dosage.
on what to use, and rough dosage.