Starsan--have I got this right?

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by jmc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:18 pm

orlando wrote:I found a handy Excel spreadsheet that calculates the right amounts based on a conversation with Starsan themselves. http://community.mrbeer.com/media/kunen ... _San_B.xls Now if some bright spark can make a metric version we're all in business.
Thanks for that. Very useful.

It will be in US pints (16oz) & gallons no doubt.

Looking at formula its based on starsan SG being 29.57/28.3495= 1.043
I'm sure we could create a UK one for Jim's calculators section.

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by orlando » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:34 pm

jmc wrote:
orlando wrote:I found a handy Excel spreadsheet that calculates the right amounts based on a conversation with Starsan themselves. http://community.mrbeer.com/media/kunen ... _San_B.xls Now if some bright spark can make a metric version we're all in business.
Thanks for that. Very useful.

It will be in US pints (16oz) & gallons no doubt.

Looking at formula its based on starsan SG being 29.57/28.3495= 1.043
I'm sure we could create a UK one for Jim's calculators section.
There is a section showing ml amounts to add but this is based on US measurements for amount of diluted SS required.
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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by jmc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:36 pm

Underscore wrote: Having just bought some Starsan but not having used it (nor made any up) yet, I thought that it states 300:1 dilution - which would be about 3.3ml per litre rather than 1.6... Have I got it wrong?

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orlando wrote:I found a handy Excel spreadsheet that calculates the right amounts based on a conversation with Starsan themselves. http://community.mrbeer.com/media/kunen ... _San_B.xls Now if some bright spark can make a metric version we're all in business.
I used the above calculator. I entered 1litre = 0.264172 US gallons (according to Google conversion)
Calculator comes up with 1.56 ml, so 1.6ml/Litre should be OK.

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BTW: I had to copy & paste to a new worksheet to get around protection stopping editing number of decimal places displayed.

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by Underscore » Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:50 pm

jmc wrote:
Underscore wrote: Having just bought some Starsan but not having used it (nor made any up) yet, I thought that it states 300:1 dilution - which would be about 3.3ml per litre rather than 1.6... Have I got it wrong?

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orlando wrote:I found a handy Excel spreadsheet that calculates the right amounts based on a conversation with Starsan themselves. http://community.mrbeer.com/media/kunen ... _San_B.xls Now if some bright spark can make a metric version we're all in business.
I used the above calculator. I entered 1litre = 0.264172 US gallons (according to Google conversion)
Calculator comes up with 1.56 ml, so 1.6ml/Litre should be OK.

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BTW: I had to copy & paste to a new worksheet to get around protection stopping editing number of decimal places displayed.
Interesting. Looking at the spreadsheet, it is using a proportion of 0.0015625 - or 640:1 dilution. As the spreadsheet points out, this matches the 1oz to 5 (US) gallons on the label but elsewhere the label definitely says 300:1. May be it is effective (and still rinse free) at a range of dilutions. Still, if everyone is using 640:1 without a problem, that's all that matters. I will probably go with 500:1 simply because I've bought a 500ml spray bottle...

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by jonnyt » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:13 pm

Then you would need a 501ml spray bottle ;)

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by jmc » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:58 pm

orlando wrote:I found a handy Excel spreadsheet that calculates the right amounts based on a conversation with Starsan themselves. http://community.mrbeer.com/media/kunen ... _San_B.xls Now if some bright spark can make a metric version we're all in business.

I've uploaded 1st draft of a UK/Metric version here (StarSan_UK.xls). Feel welcome to download and try it out.
Feedback welcome. Please tell me about any errors or improvements so I can update.
(eg I can probably add a gram converter to in case anyone wants to weigh StarSan added in g)

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by orlando » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:10 am

Excellent work John, now, er would you like to do one for PBW as well [-o< ?
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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by Underscore » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:27 am

jonnyt wrote:Then you would need a 501ml spray bottle ;)
Darn! OK, I'll dilute it at 499:1 instead. :lol:

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by jmc » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:19 am

orlando wrote:Excellent work John, now, er would you like to do one for PBW as well [-o< ?
Thanks

For PBW sheet, would it need to be based on Five Star PBW Tech Sheet (PDF)?

From this dosage varies for recirculation cleaning 1-3 oz per US gallon, depending on how badly soiled kit is.
Therefore would you need 3 drop-down options , for light, medium & heavy soiled equipment? (1,2,3?)

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by orlando » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:57 am

That would make sense. On the product packaging there is a different regime based on whether it is CIP or individual bits of kit to be soaked. Other than that I don't know. There was someone who reinterpreted the instructions for metric use so that is on the forum somewhere, I will have a dig round and repost the thread if I find it.
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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by jmc » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:04 pm

orlando wrote:That would make sense. On the product packaging there is a different regime based on whether it is CIP or individual bits of kit to be soaked. Other than that I don't know. There was someone who reinterpreted the instructions for metric use so that is on the forum somewhere, I will have a dig round and repost the thread if I find it.
Is this the topic?
PBW instructions translated to metric

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by orlando » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:34 pm

Yes, I found out yesterday from a printed off version that it was stich and was going to post today but only just finished a brewday, an old fashioned mild, so well done for finding it.
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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by jmc » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:29 pm

Hi orlando.
As requested, I uploaded an Excel PBW calculation sheet yesterday evening.
I thought it better if its on a separate topic
see PBW - Excel Calculation sheet

You need to enter:
a) Litres of cleaning solution you are making
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b) Drop down list of type of cleaning you're doing.
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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by dedken » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:15 pm

Depends how tight you want to be! The dilution rate is actually printed on the bottle. 1ml/500 is more than enough by their calculations. Which means that it is DIRT CHEAP. Basically.

I'll top up every now and then with mineral water and a little drop of Star San and check with pH strip. It's always below 2.5 so plenty acidic enough.

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Re: Starsan--have I got this right?

Post by orlando » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:22 am

dedken wrote:Depends how tight you want to be! The dilution rate is actually printed on the bottle. 1ml/500 is more than enough by their calculations. Which means that it is DIRT CHEAP. Basically.
Unlike PBW which is horrendously expensive, if only they would bring that down in price I wouldn't use anything else.
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