Water profile

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Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Tue May 16, 2017 12:46 pm

Right I've just got my water report from wallybrew. Cheers for that.

So I'm going to brew a pale English ale but wound like the malt aspect of it to show slightly more I think.

What would be a good profile to aim at?


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Re: Water profile

Post by orlando » Tue May 16, 2017 2:46 pm

Bunglebrewsbeer wrote:Right I've just got my water report from wallybrew. Cheers for that.

So I'm going to brew a pale English ale but wound like the malt aspect of it to show slightly more I think.

What would be a good profile to aim at?


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Re: Water profile

Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Tue May 16, 2017 3:03 pm

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That be my water.


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Re: Water profile

Post by orlando » Tue May 16, 2017 3:24 pm

Blimey, not much in that, you'll have Del Boy wanting to buy it off you :shock:

You're OK for Pales and Lagers but you have a problem with darker beers and that is a whole world of pain. A good starting point would be to plumb these numbers into Grahams Beer Engine water calculator on here. Choose a target profile and then add the suggested salts to hit it. You don't have a problem with alkalinity so its mostly sulphate and chloride to be added.
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Re: Water profile

Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Tue May 16, 2017 4:21 pm

Does it have pre loaded styles on it?


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Post by orlando » Tue May 16, 2017 5:12 pm

Bunglebrewsbeer wrote:Does it have pre loaded styles on it?


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Re: Water profile

Post by Wonkydonkey » Tue May 16, 2017 5:33 pm

It's pre loaded it's a pull down menu.., but does have 1 or a few styles missing, but it don't bother me
With water like you got,,, :shock:
are you sure you remembered to empty the shop brought bottle of water and fill it with tap water [-o< :wink:

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Re: Water profile

Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Tue May 16, 2017 6:16 pm

Where's the calculator thing please?


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Post by Wonkydonkey » Tue May 16, 2017 6:28 pm

To select water profile. Click on "custom liquor" it loads the required profile of salts etc in the calc. Depending on the type you choose,
I choose sweet pale mostly.

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Re: Water profile

Post by Hanglow » Tue May 16, 2017 7:14 pm

You've got great water as a base, it's similar to mine in Glasgow. In fact do you get your water from Loch Katrine? It's almost exactly the same I think

I use this spreadsheet for calculations as it has the ability to input the grist and also bits for lactic acid and phosphoric acid which grahams doesn't have http://homebrewingphysics.blogspot.co.u ... water.html . It is in us measurements though

But the GW one is great to start with :D

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Re: Water profile

Post by private4587 » Fri May 19, 2017 11:19 am

Attached is a copy of my water report from Northumbrian Water. I am totally confused with it in trying to decide what sort of water I have for brewing. Is there anyone here who could assist me in trying to understand it and what i should be looking for in trying to find what sort of water i have and what improvements i would need for different styles of beer/larger.
Many thanks in advance for your assistance
Was hoping i could attach but it seems i can only copy sorry for that.
Northumbrian Water Limited Water Quality Summary Report Report Period 01/01/2015 to 31/12/2015
Page 1

Water Supply Zone T105 MIDDLESBROUGH CENTRAL
population 43269
Z0015108
Max Value
type
PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC P2 P2 PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC PC
DWI Standar ds
Parameter
Parameter Lower Code Limit
Upper Limit
Units
No of Samples
No Percentage Failing Failing
Min Value
Mean Value
Aluminium Total A021 200 ug/l 36 0 .00 9.2 18 29
Ammonium (ammonia and ammonium ions) A014 0.5 mg/l as NH4 36 0 .00 < 0.007 < 0.0085 0.038
Antimony Total B008A 5 ug/l 8 0 .00 < 0.033 < 0.0433 0.063
Arsenic Total B001A 10 ug/l 8 0 .00 0.094 0.1518 0.25
Benzo(3,4)Pyrene Total D007 0.01 ug/l 8 0 .00 < 0.00056 < 0.0006 < 0.0006
Boron Total D005A 1 mg/l 8 0 .00 < 0.0034 < 0.0049 0.0083
Bromate F003 10ug/l 8 0 .00 < 0.3 < 0.3 < 0.3
Cadmium Total B002 5 ug/l 8 0 .00 < 0.0024 < 0.0046 0.0072
Chloride D002A 250 mg/l 8 0 .00 9.3 11 13
Chlorine Free C009 no limit mg/l 108 0 .00 0.17 0.4856 0.81
Chlorine Total C010 no limit mg/l 108 0 .00 0.17 0.5595 0.9
Chromium Total B004 50 ug/l 8 0 .00 0.033 0.0681 0.22
Clostridium Perfringens (Welchii) C004A 0 No./100ml 36 0 .00 0 0 0
Coliforms C001A 0 No./100ml 108
1
.93
0 0.0185 2
Colonies 2 Day 37 C YEA C013 company limit 50 No./ml 36
1
2.78
0 3.6111 120
Colonies 3 Days 22 C YEA C007 company limit 300 No./ml 36 0 .00 0 1.8056 56
Colour A001 20 mg/l Pt/Co scale 36 0 .00 < 1 < 1.2167 2.3
Conductivity 20 Deg. C D001 1500 uS/cm 36 0 .00 170 215 250
Copper Total A024A 2 mg/l 8 0 .00 < 0.00093 < 0.0070 0.019
E.Coli C002 0No./100ml 108 0 .00 0 0 0
Enterococci C003 0No./100ml 8 0 .00 0 0 0
Fluoride Dissolved A027 1.5 mg/l 8 0 .00 0.081 0.0923 0.11
Hydrogen ion A006 6.5 9.5 pH Value 36 0 .00 7.5 7.7139 8
Iron Total A022 200 ug/l 36 0 .00 7.7 17 69
Lead Total B007A 10 ug/l 8 0 .00 < 0.014 < 2.0855 6.1
Manganese Total A023 50 ug/l 36 0 .00 0.6 1.4853 5.3
Nickel Total B006A 20 ug/l 8 0 .00 0.58 0.705 0.88
Nitrate A012 50 mg/l as NO3 8 0 .00 2 2.5875 3.6
Nitrate / Nitrite formula A013C 1 mg/l as NO2 8 0 .00 < 0.041 < 0.0523 < 0.072
Nitrite A013A 0.1 mg/l as NO2 8 0 .00 < 0.0011 < 0.0011 < 0.0011
Odour Quantitative A003 0 Dil. No. 18 0 .00 0 0 0
Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons B011F 0.1 ug/l 8 0 .00 0 0 0
DWI Parameter codes marked S
These indicate parameters that are measured at a supply point, usually a water treatment works. Some supply zones may receive water from more than one supply point so all relevant samples are included for the purpose of monitoring water quality supplied to the zone.
18/03/2016
Northumbrian Water Limited Water Quality Summary Report Page 2 Report Period 01/01/2015 to 31/12/2015
Water Supply Zone T105 MIDDLESBROUGH CENTRAL population 43269
Z0015108
type DWI Standar ds Parameter Lower Upper
No of No Percentage
Parameter Code Limit Limit Units Samples Failing Failing Min Value Mean Value Max Value
PC
Selenium Total B009 10 ug/l 8 0 .00 < 0.078 < 0.078 < 0.078
PC
Sodium A009 150 mg/l 8 0 .00 5.7 6.425 7.4
PC
Sulphate Dissolved A007 250 mg/l 8 0 .00 36 48 56
PC
Taste Quantitative A004 0 Dil. No. 18 0 .00 0 0 0
PC
Total Trihalomethanes D011 100 ug/l 8 0 .00 33.7 44 63.3
PC

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Re: Water profile

Post by orlando » Fri May 19, 2017 11:31 am

I advise a proper analysis for brewing. This will give you accurate figures. The Water Co. is just giving out statutory information i.e. of no real help at all. At best you will have the legal limits and an average; hopeless. By the way it only contains information on 2 things that really interest a brewer any way, sulphate and chloride. If you're serious about water treatment it is important to know precisely what you are starting with, anything else is guesswork or Alchemy. :wink:
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Re: Water profile

Post by Eric » Fri May 19, 2017 1:58 pm

No, it's not very helpful and getting a sample of your water analysed is the best way froward.

From what you've displayed it appears your water is reasonably soft. Average values for sodium, sulphate and chloride are 6.4ppm, 48ppm and 11ppm. Can you give the hardness value Northumbria Water give? It might be on another page. From that we might estimate the amounts for calcium and magnesium.
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Re: Water profile

Post by private4587 » Sat May 20, 2017 8:34 am

Thanks for your quick replies, so where is the best(cheapest) place to get a water sample tested.

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