Where to get my Water analysed?
Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Does wallybrew supply bicarbonate levels? From what I understand this is needed, but every service I find in the UK doesn't state that it gives you bicarbonate....
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Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Neil provides alkalinity expressed as CaCO3 . . . An actual bicarbonate figure is difficult to determine as it varies with pH due to the whole carbonate equilibrium thing in water, and most brewing software can handle it either as bicarbonate or carbonate . . . you multiply by 1.22 to go from carbonate to bicarbonate (depending on pH )
This is my report from him for the last few months
Water supply code: Z070
This is my report from him for the last few months
Water supply code: Z070
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2015 2014
17th Jul 26th Jun 28th May 26th Mar 21st Feb 21st Jan 22nd Nov 28th Oct 11th Feb
Calcium - 27.6 24.5 23.1 17.8 20.6 14.8 30.8 35.7 24.3
Magnesium - 5.1 4.3 4.0 3.0 3.3 2.1 6.9 8.3 3.1
Sodium - 14.2 16.6 13.0 11.3 12.0 8.2 15.4 16.2 12.0
Potassium - 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.9 <0.5 0.6 1.0 0.7
Sulphate - 43.7 50.3 44.1 33.3 37.3 27.4 50.6 68.2 42.8
Chloride - 12.4 12.0 12.5 12.0 11.3 8.5 11.7 15.6 11.1
Phosphate - 5.5 5.2 7.0 6.1 6.8 5.9 6.2 6.2 4.7
Nitrate - 1.6 1.5 1.7 1.9 1.7 1.3 1.7 2.1 1.3
Alkalinity - 52.0 44.0 34.0 30.0 33.0 18.0 67.0 67.0 32.0
Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Is carbonate the same as 'alkalinity as CaC03'?Aleman wrote:Neil provides alkalinity expressed as CaCO3 . . . An actual bicarbonate figure is difficult to determine as it varies with pH due to the whole carbonate equilibrium thing in water, and most brewing software can handle it either as bicarbonate or carbonate . . . you multiply by 1.22 to go from carbonate to bicarbonate (depending on pH )
This is my report from him for the last few months
Water supply code: Z070
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2015 2014 17th Jul 26th Jun 28th May 26th Mar 21st Feb 21st Jan 22nd Nov 28th Oct 11th Feb Calcium - 27.6 24.5 23.1 17.8 20.6 14.8 30.8 35.7 24.3 Magnesium - 5.1 4.3 4.0 3.0 3.3 2.1 6.9 8.3 3.1 Sodium - 14.2 16.6 13.0 11.3 12.0 8.2 15.4 16.2 12.0 Potassium - 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.7 0.9 <0.5 0.6 1.0 0.7 Sulphate - 43.7 50.3 44.1 33.3 37.3 27.4 50.6 68.2 42.8 Chloride - 12.4 12.0 12.5 12.0 11.3 8.5 11.7 15.6 11.1 Phosphate - 5.5 5.2 7.0 6.1 6.8 5.9 6.2 6.2 4.7 Nitrate - 1.6 1.5 1.7 1.9 1.7 1.3 1.7 2.1 1.3 Alkalinity - 52.0 44.0 34.0 30.0 33.0 18.0 67.0 67.0 32.0
I've contacted Wallybrew and am just awaiting a reply - then I'll be sending my water off (Leeds) for analysis.
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Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Yes.
BUT it's not the same as hardness as CaCO3.
The two things are completely different but just for fun the convention is to report them as if all the hardness or alkalinity was provided by calcium carbonate . . . Confused . . . You will be!
BUT it's not the same as hardness as CaCO3.
The two things are completely different but just for fun the convention is to report them as if all the hardness or alkalinity was provided by calcium carbonate . . . Confused . . . You will be!
Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Aleman - confused, definitely! But I fee I'm on the right track. I figure that when I get the water report and plug it into BruNWater I'll have lots of questions
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Well, I'm confused too!
If carbonate is the same as 'alkalinity as CaC03' as stated above...
http://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/water.html
The first thing on here is alkalinity and when I enter it the carbonate field is automatically seeded with a different value!
Then when I enter the other data from my water report it then tells me (I think) that the ions are not balanced.
My water report (Yorkshire Water) doesn't have a figure for carbonates.
If carbonate is the same as 'alkalinity as CaC03' as stated above...
http://www.jimsbeerkit.co.uk/water.html
The first thing on here is alkalinity and when I enter it the carbonate field is automatically seeded with a different value!
Then when I enter the other data from my water report it then tells me (I think) that the ions are not balanced.
My water report (Yorkshire Water) doesn't have a figure for carbonates.
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Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
It's not a calculator I use, so I can't really comment, but I am assuming that Graham is basing the Carbonate value as the carbonate component of the 'As Calcium Carbonate' figure you enter as alkalinity, and removing the 'theoretical' calcium component.
Water company reports rarely balance as they are either maximum / minimum or average figures of a number of readings over a period
Water company reports rarely balance as they are either maximum / minimum or average figures of a number of readings over a period
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Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Someone should invent a water calculator that just deals with Alkalinity & the major components. without all the other tosh that goes with other calculators.
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Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Thanks. I did use average figures and there is quite a range on some of them!
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Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Aye, such a thing would be great.barneey wrote:Someone should invent a water calculator that just deals with Alkalinity & the major components. without all the other tosh that goes with other calculators.
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Dave S wrote:Aye, such a thing would be great.barneey wrote:Someone should invent a water calculator that just deals with Alkalinity & the major components. without all the other tosh that goes with other calculators.
I would use it.
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Re: Where to get my Water analysed?
Me too. People are generally just trying to make good beer and (for most) the water treatment needn't be very extensive to achieve that. However, the complexity of some calculators (and books) put me off getting into water treatment for years. There are some things to learn obviously, but not the overwhelming mountain it seemed - unless you want/need to become particularly advanced about things, like closely duplicating existing water profiles and so on.
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