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Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:48 pm

I've always been a massive fan of Bath ales. I'd rate them over the majority of other ales I've ever tried.

I assume their distinct flavour is due to having their own yeast? It doesn't mention anything on the bottle and despite living down the road for four years i'd wrongly assumed Bath Ales was actually in Bath and not Bristol.

I'd be very interested in brewing a clone of any of their ales. No-where seems to do one. They've been around for 15 years I'd have thought GW would have worked one out by now :-)

Back in my bristol days I drank a lot of Zero Degrees also. Can't find any clones of theirs either. Their IPA is amazing.

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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Jeltz » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:31 pm

Not tried any of these recipes but here are a 2 Gems & 1 Spa. Gem is probably my favourite beer so I will certainly be trying to clone it some time.

http://hopville.com/recipe/153628

http://www.hopandgrain.com/recipeSearch ... Ales%20Gem
http://www.hopandgrain.com/recipeSearch ... Ales%20SPA
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:35 pm

Jeltz wrote:Not tried any of these recipes but here are a 2 Gems & 1 Spa. Gem is probably my favourite beer so I will certainly be trying to clone it some time.

http://hopville.com/recipe/153628

http://www.hopandgrain.com/recipeSearch ... Ales%20Gem
http://www.hopandgrain.com/recipeSearch ... Ales%20SPA



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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Tarmac » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:37 pm

I bottled a biab Gem clone about 2 weeks ago and it's so close it's unbelievable!
I did a simpler version of the Gem with just Maris Otter, Wheat and two EKG additions. It's a bit lighter in colour but has more mouthfeel.
Really, really close to the original.
I used Danstar Nottingham yeast.
FV1: Empty
FV2: BIAB Proper Job Clone
Conditioning: Coopers Stout,Wilkos Newkie(+ekg), Dubious Turbo CIderz, BIAB Bath Gem Clone
Planning: BIAB - lots of BIAB
Drunk'd: John Bull Trad Ale, JB Lager, Sundew, Muntons Wheat, JB IPA, St P Ruby X2, Geordie Bitter, TC Real Ale,Wherry X2,TC, Ginger Wine, Mead, Coopers Blonde...etc etc
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:44 pm

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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Tarmac » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:49 pm

Try this:
20litre brew
Maris Otter: 5.3kg
Wheat: 115g

90 minute boil
EKG 75 mins 5.5% aa 30 IBU 58g
EKG 10 mins 5.5.% aa 5 IBU 28g
FV1: Empty
FV2: BIAB Proper Job Clone
Conditioning: Coopers Stout,Wilkos Newkie(+ekg), Dubious Turbo CIderz, BIAB Bath Gem Clone
Planning: BIAB - lots of BIAB
Drunk'd: John Bull Trad Ale, JB Lager, Sundew, Muntons Wheat, JB IPA, St P Ruby X2, Geordie Bitter, TC Real Ale,Wherry X2,TC, Ginger Wine, Mead, Coopers Blonde...etc etc
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:54 pm

Tarmac wrote:Try this:
20litre brew
Maris Otter: 5.3kg
Wheat: 115g

90 minute boil
EKG 75 mins 5.5% aa 30 IBU 58g
EKG 10 mins 5.5.% aa 5 IBU 28g


um... ok... what is it?
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:55 pm

Anyone got any ideas on yeast? Hopville seems to recommend S-04. I doubt Bath Ales use S-04?
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Tarmac » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:56 pm

Belter wrote:
Tarmac wrote:Try this:
20litre brew
Maris Otter: 5.3kg
Wheat: 115g

90 minute boil
EKG 75 mins 5.5% aa 30 IBU 58g
EKG 10 mins 5.5.% aa 5 IBU 28g


um... ok... what is it?


It's a simplified Bath Gem recipe.... :roll:
FV1: Empty
FV2: BIAB Proper Job Clone
Conditioning: Coopers Stout,Wilkos Newkie(+ekg), Dubious Turbo CIderz, BIAB Bath Gem Clone
Planning: BIAB - lots of BIAB
Drunk'd: John Bull Trad Ale, JB Lager, Sundew, Muntons Wheat, JB IPA, St P Ruby X2, Geordie Bitter, TC Real Ale,Wherry X2,TC, Ginger Wine, Mead, Coopers Blonde...etc etc
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Jeltz » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:06 pm

So the wheat is just wheat? Not torrified or malt?
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:07 pm

Just found this... sorted!

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48580
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:08 pm

Says on the post that the guy emailed the brewer at Bath Ales and has the yeast etc.
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Tarmac » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:14 pm

Nice one chap. Missed that thread! :D
Will give it a try sometime. The chocolate malt must be what gives it that little bit of colour I'm missing.
FV1: Empty
FV2: BIAB Proper Job Clone
Conditioning: Coopers Stout,Wilkos Newkie(+ekg), Dubious Turbo CIderz, BIAB Bath Gem Clone
Planning: BIAB - lots of BIAB
Drunk'd: John Bull Trad Ale, JB Lager, Sundew, Muntons Wheat, JB IPA, St P Ruby X2, Geordie Bitter, TC Real Ale,Wherry X2,TC, Ginger Wine, Mead, Coopers Blonde...etc etc
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby Belter » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:33 pm

To be honest although he's had word from the brewer that recipe put into Beersmith seems way off? The EBC is nowhere near as dark as I remember drinking it. I've searched the net it comes up as 36 on some forums. I have it listed as 17 with these percentages. Also the gravity should be 1.046 but I'm at 1.038.



Bath Ales Gem
Standard/Ordinary Bitter
Type: All Grain Date: 29/10/2012
Batch Size (fermenter): 25.00 l Brewer:
Boil Size: 34.98 l Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: Electric Urn (10 Gal/40 L) - BIAB
End of Boil Volume 28.08 l Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 23.60 l Est Mash Efficiency 75.6 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30.0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients

Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
3.95 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 1 91.0 %
0.17 kg Wheat Malt, Ger (3.9 EBC) Grain 2 4.0 %
0.17 kg Crystal Malt - 60L (Thomas Fawcett) (118.2 EBC) Grain 3 4.0 %
0.04 kg Chocolate Malt (886.5 EBC) Grain 4 1.0 %
29.28 g Challenger [7.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 5 22.5 IBUs
21.69 g Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min Hop 6 2.2 IBUs
1.0 pkg Whitbread Ale (Wyeast Labs #1099) [124.21 ml] Yeast 7 -
Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.038 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.011 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 3.6 %
Bitterness: 24.7 IBUs Calories: 427.1 kcal/l
Est Color: 17.0 EBC

Think I need some more practise with beersmith
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Re: Bath Ales Clone?

Postby oz11 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:45 pm

It's stronger in bottles than it is on draught, so that may explain the difference?
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