Pale Malt & Golden Promise

[GBH]

Hi,

Im soon to try my 3rd AG (just awaiting my boiler! now outgrown the Tea Urn!)

Im going to try a Timothy Taylor Landlord Clone, so far I have found 3 recipes, think 2 of which use Golden Promise Malt.
(and they indeed mention that they use Golden Promise on their website)

My Q is : Can I use Pale malt instead? ie is there that much of a noticable difference?

Im finding it difficult to source (unless I get 25KG from H & G) so have opted for Pale malt from my local brew shop.

Thank-you!

[Stonechat]

Pale Malt made with another variety of barley will still make a close copy of TTL. With other variables like water profile and treatment, mashing temperature, hops and the yeast used probably making greater influences on the final beer the Golden Promise won't be missed.

Make it and keep a couple of bottles back until you get round to buying a 25kg sack of the authentic malt, and do a comparison.

[Dennis King]

I`ve used maris otter and still thought it was a good copy.

[boingy]

Somewhere recently I read of a microbrewer expressing the view that the bulk malt component of a brew didn't really matter that much. He was basically saying that the bulk malt mostly just contributes sugars and that the flavour and character of the brew comes from the other adjuncts and ingredients. If only I could remember where I read it. It may even have been on this site (I've been reading too much beer stuff recently).

Anyhow, I concur that you should use Pale as a substitute. You'll still end up with a great beer.

[steve_flack]

Somewhere recently I read of a microbrewer expressing the view that the bulk malt component of a brew didn't really matter that much. He was basically saying that the bulk malt mostly just contributes sugars and that the flavour and character of the brew comes from the other adjuncts and ingredients. If only I could remember where I read it. It may even have been on this site (I've been reading too much beer stuff recently).

There are two opinions on the matter. Personally I think he's wrong...especially in a simple beer like TTL. Where's the grain flavour going to come from if it isn't the base malt in a beer like that? That's not to say you can't make a nice beer similar to TTL without it.

[flytact]

There are two opinions on the matter. Personally I think he's wrong...especially in a simple beer like TTL. Where's the grain flavour going to come from if it isn't the base malt in a beer like that? That's not to say you can't make a nice beer similar to TTL without it.

Wholeheartedly agree, just did a single malt batch with MO and I can guarantee it would have been different with GP or an American 2-row.
That being said, I posed a similar question regarding a BYORAAH (sp?) recipe and none other than Mr. Wheeler chimed in saying don't let a difference in MO vice Perle/Optic keep you from brewing.

[delboy]

I'd echo what the other two guys have said, if its a simple single malt brew you will be able to tell a difference but for a beer made with speciality malts it'll matter much less.
As the others said brew it anyway and call it a TTLLC (Timothy taylor landlord like clone).