Keyworth Early

[raiderman]

On opening key worth early doesn't smell of citrus. Reminds me of willammete

[seymour]

On opening key worth early doesn't smell of citrus. Reminds me of willammete

Interesting. Willamette was bred as a US Fuggles replacement, and is commonly described as a classic English profile with slight American influence.

[Clibit]

I wouldn't expect an English hop to have a strong American type aroma.

I love Citra too but there are other hops I love. Spread the love.

[YeastWhisperer]

I cannot get past the smell of Citra. The only hop that I find even more disgusting is Simcoe.

[Clibit]

What are your favourite hops YW?

I'm a big fan of Centennial, Brewer's Gold, Bobek amongst quite a few others. But I've only been brewing for 18 months properly, so am working my way through hops etc slowly and my tastes are changing. Emerging, actually. I like variety really, rather than sticking to one or two favourites. Still forming opinions and deciding what i like, even though I've drunk beer for nearly 40 years. When you start making it from scratch, you start to decipher which hops, grains and yeasts you really like, of course.

[YeastWhisperer]

I use several different hops. However, the hops that use I most frequently are Cluster, Cascade, Fuggle/Willamette, Golding, Liberty, Perle, and Tettnang. If I could only brew with four hops, I would chose Cluster, Cascade, Liberty, and Willamette.

Brewers's Gold is an oldie, but goodie. Centennial is 3/4ths brewer's Gold. I have not brewed with Bobek.

[Clibit]

Cheers. Interesting selection. I have only used Cascade, Goldings and Willamette of those. I really like Cascade and Goldings, Willamette is OK, but I'm not into Fuggles really. It works in some blends for me. I must give Cluster a go, though i have about 25 hops waiting to be used! I'm a hoarder. Actually only about 6 of those I've never used before. Not used German hops yet really, other than the Brewer's Gold. I recommend Bobek. I think it fits with your tastes. Do you like any Styrian hops?

[raiderman]

On opening key worth early doesn't smell of citrus. Reminds me of willammete

Interesting. Willamette was bred as a US Fuggles replacement, and is commonly described as a classic English profile with slight American influence.

Willammete used to be a hop I used a lot of. I don't much now because it hasn't moved with the times. But the key worth had a very similar smell and none of the shapeness that the new citrusy hops have. We'll see

[YeastWhisperer]

Willamette is a good blending hop. It blends beautifully with Cascade and Liberty.

Fresh Willamette is like a less earthy/woody Fuggle with a floral citrus kick. If one views the average oil compositions of the two cultivars at the links below, one will see that Willamette is myrcene heavy whereas UK Fuggle is humulene heavy.

http://beerlegends.com/willamette-hops
http://beerlegends.com/fuggle-uk-hops

American hop cultivars are known for their elevated myrcene levels. It's the essential oil around which West Coast-style ale is built.

http://beerlegends.com/cascade-us-hops
http://beerlegends.com/centennial-hops

The modern proprietary hops have even higher levels of myrcene.

http://beerlegends.com/simcoe-hops
http://beerlegends.com/amarillo-hops

With that said, I love UK Fuggle. Humulene is the signature essential oil that makes UK Fuggle unmistakable. Fuggle appears to be a terroir-sensitive cultivar. Fuggle grown in the U.S. has a very different oil profile. In fact, US Fuggle is even less Fuggle-like than Willamette. I often wonder if the Fuggle that is grown in the U.S. is not real Fuggle, especially after the propagation faux pas that I am currently sorting out.

http://beerlegends.com/fuggle-us-hops

[raiderman]

Keyworth early is 45% myrcene, which is lower than Cascade which is around 45-60%, simcoe is 65% and the amazing Rikawka which I only brewed with once but was awesome is 68% which is about as high as it goes. On the other hand Goldings and Fuggles are 20-28%, so if this stuff is good its got more than the average uk hop, although not really out of line with challenger. As a dedicated non tekknikal brewer I've exhausted my science ration for the year and I'm going to wait for this to ferment out and then taste it!

[Clibit]

Top hops for Myrcene:


Horizon Hops 55% - 70% of Total Oil

AMARILLO® Hops 68% - 70% of Total Oil

Riwaka Hops 68% of Total Oil

Simcoe Hops 60% - 65% of Total Oil

Full table: http://beerlegends.com/myrcene-oil

[raiderman]

I've edited out the bits I don't undersatnand from ytthis quote! "In brewing, it is considered the headlining feature of the “green hop aroma” and is often found in many dry-hopped beers. It has an odor which is described as “herbaceous, resinous, green, balsamic, fresh hops, and slightly metallic” and can be quite pungent at higher levels sometimes smelling a bit like floor-cleaner.
Cascade hops tend to be regarded as the classic “myrcene hops”, and in fact it makes up roughly 50-60% of the total hop oil fraction of Cascades"
On balance I think this is a good thing. The reports suggest it can produce lemon/grapefruit, so I'm expecting a fuggle thats had it away with a fruit bowl....
Actually it would be useful to have a way of predicting what a hop ought to taste like. Back in the day when I started out it was quite easy, the lack of choice made finding good hops easy, but now with the sheer numberr trying to weed out thoes which are really suited for Meggakeg Lager and focusing on good ale hops is not easy. Summit. I rest my case!

[raiderman]

Considering I didn't know what myrcene was before this thread I've just blown the yeast away and dived in with a ladle, beautifully clear, still sweet but very tasty and looking promising, although what the final flavour will be is anyones guess but I'm looking forward to finding out

[DeGarre]

Looks like my next brew next week is going to be Keyworth Early. 1050° golden ale with Admiral to bitter, then KE at 20 and 5 minutes for 15 minute hop stand. S04 and 37 ibus. Simples.

Just opened the packet, No citrus, grapefruit, dank, pine, resin, tom-cat but instead very fresh herbal minty grassy Englishness. Very nice.

[raiderman]

Just tasted mine before bottling. There's a lemon balm aroma to it. I think it could be quite nice. The wife said it could be wine. Make what you will of that!