What is your favourite American hop variety?

[orlando]

So i guess that's a BIG FAT NO! Then I am brewing a Imperial American brown ale this year and I am looking for something out of the norm, I have so far got either simcoe or Magnum for battering and Anthumn for Aroma but I still need something fruity and rich to complement the darker Roaster malts in the grist Maybe cluster or Eldorado?

I would consider Bramling Cross but as you can tell I'm not "out there".

[beer gut]

Yeah I also had that idea. Bram X is a nice hop with its half American and half English heritage. I was also thinking either glacier or Willamette.

[orlando]

Yeah I also had that idea. Bram X is a nice hop with its half American and half English heritage. I was also thinking either glacier or Willamette.

Don't know the latter two but Bram X hits your fruity target I thought and is a lot less out of kilter to the malt bill.

[YeastWhisperer]

Yeah I also had that idea. Bram X is a nice hop with its half American and half English heritage. I was also thinking either glacier or Willamette.

Call me crazy, but I do not consider a hop to be American/North American unless part of its genome comes from one or more native hops. Willamette, being tetraploid Fuggle x Fuggle, is 100% British genetically (that's if one accepts the notion that Fuggle is truly a British hop and not a continental transplant).

[beer gut]

Good point yeastwhisper I truly thought Willamette was American. I suppose any hop grown in American soil with American climate would be Americanized in flavour and aroma the reason for this thought is I read that the ground and the climate the hop is produced in gives the hop it's characteristics is that true I am not sure but its what I read.

[YeastWhisperer]

The terroir argument definitely applies to Fuggle.

[scuppeteer]

Yeah I also had that idea. Bram X is a nice hop with its half American and half English heritage. I was also thinking either glacier or Willamette.

No offence intended to our American members but its actually half Canadian, unless you are terming it North American in a continental term!

[seymour]

How about American Imperial Brown Ale?

Absolutely. Mosaic would be great for that.

The very thought appals me. Sometimes maybe you shouldn't do something just because you can. Reminds me of a conversation about Rhubarb I was having in a pub with some friends. One guy was asked "what do you put on your Rhubarb", "horse manure" he replied, my mate said, "really, we put custard on ours".

Each to their own, of course, but I stand by it. I know from experience Mosaic can be great, especially as a late aroma addition or dry hop in a big brown ale. I've tasted it in Schlafly House Brown Ale among others. Though 100% over-the-top-American-in-every-way, it blends well with Citra, Chinook, and/or Simcoe for this kinda stuff. It produces pretty harsh bitterness when used as a kettle hop though.

[seymour]

Yeah I also had that idea. Bram X is a nice hop with its half American and half English heritage. I was also thinking either glacier or Willamette.

No offence intended to our American members but its actually half Canadian, unless you are terming it North American in a continental term!

No offense taken. I was thinking the same thing. I don't consider Bramling Cross an American hop at all, rather an English hop with a little more American character than others, I guess. Bred by an Englishman at Wye College by cross-pollinating English hops with a wild Canadian male, then grown in England, and as far as I know, only used in English beer styles.

[YeastWhisperer]

No offence intended to our American members but its actually half Canadian, unless you are terming it North American in a continental term!

I take not offense to that comment as well. Manitoba is not in the United States.

With that said, Northern Brewer has American (U.S.) genetic admixture. The male hop (OYl) used to breed OB21 was California Cluster. OYl was supplied to E. S. Salmon by the notorious West Coast hop broker E.C. Horst.

USDA ACCESSION NO.: 64107

SELECTION: Seedling selection WEB 135, raised in 1934 from Canterbury Golding crossed with a male seedling from Brewer's Gold. Canterbury Golding is an old English variety identical to East Kent Golding.

GENUS: Humulus

SPECIES: 1upulus

CULTIVAR: Northern Brewer

PEDIGREE: Canterbury Holding x male OB21; OB21: a seedling.raised in 1934 by Prof.Salmon at Wye College from a cross: Brewer's Gold (l9001) x American Male OYl

PRIMARY SITE: USDA World Hop Cultivar Collection, OSU East Farm

ORIGIN: Seedling selection made by E. S. Salmon, Wye College, England

DATE RECEIVED: Spring 1964

METHOD RECEIVED: Rhizomes, from Dr. R. A. Neve , Wye College, England. Received under PI No. 302781.

AVAILABILITY: No restrictions, commercial variety.

REFERENCES: Salmon, E. S. Four seedling of the Canterbury Golding. Leaflet, Wye College, England. 8 pp. 1944.

Burgess, A. H. Hops. Interscience Publishers, New York, 1964. p. 46.

MATURITY: Early

LEAF COLOR: Medium to dark green

SEX: Female

DISEASES: Downy Mildew: moderately resistant

Verticillium wilt:resistant

Viruses: infected with all five major hop viruses

VIGOR: Poor to moderate

YIELD: Low, 800 1200 1bs/acre

SIDE ARM LENGTH:12 20 inches

ALPHA ACIDS: 9.5% (ten year range: 7.0 to 12.1%)

BETA ACIDS: 4.0% (ten year range: 2.2 to 5.3%)

COHUMULONE: 26%

STORAGE STABILITY: Good to fair

OIL: 1.61 ml/100 9 (10 year range: 0.77 to 2.56)

MAJOR TRAITS: Moderately high alpha acids content. Pleasant aroma. Resistant to Verticillium wilt, susceptible to powdery mildew (Sphaerotheca humuli).

OTHER INFORMATION: Not grown commercially in the U.S. because of low yields. Major hop variety in Europe, particularly West Germany and Belgium because of Verticillium resistance. Canterbury Golding is identical to East.Kent Golding. It was selected from Canterbury Whitebine by Mr. Golding of Malling shortly before 1790 (Ref. Burgess, 1964; page 42). Virtually identical to USDA 21093 except for higher virus content, esp. Prunus necrotic ringspot virus and apple mosaic virus.




There are other British hops that have American (U.S.) genetic admixture. Keyworth's Midseason, Target, Northdown, Challenger, and Progress all contain American genetic admixture. American genetic admixture is where they obtained their disease resistance.


The family tree for these cultivars appears on the parentage graph in the PDF linked below. This graph was supplied by a British source.

https://bsgcraftbrewing.com/Resources%5 ... ieties.pdf

[beer gut]

Sorry guys I did not do well in school in geography. I. Meant no offence
By saying Bram x was American. Bramling X is what I call a marmite hop you either love it or hate it, I quite like flavour especially in stouts with Galena and progress.

[seymour]

No offense taken. This is a fun conversation. A Bramling/Galena/Progress stout sounds delicious! Mind sharing your recipe?

[beer gut]

Yeah no worries I will dig it out and post it on.

[beer gut]

Here we are.
3.568kg Maris otter
0.320g Malted oats
0.333g Exta Dark crystal malt
0.277g chocolate malt.
0.169g Roast Barley
0.447g Flaked Barley.

17g Galena 60 min boil
10g Progress 10 min boil
17g Bram X 5 min boil.

Srm 31
Og 1048/46
IBU's 30
Boil time 90 min boil.
Efficiency 75%

[seymour]

Oh hells yeah. I can see why you're a prize-winning brewer. That looks spectacular.

Well-played with the oats, mate.