Williamette Replacement

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Williamette Replacement

Post by ADDLED » Sat Apr 18, 2009 12:55 pm

Hey everyone, im doing a Deuchars IPA AG clone today but forgot one of te main hops - i have styrian goldings, fuggle but the recipes also mentions williamette.

I dont have this but ive got these: goldings, target, challenger, northdown.
Can i use any of these instead pls?
thanks :)

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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by vacant » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:08 pm

I don't know how subjective this hop substition list is
I brew therefore I ... I .... forget

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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by ADDLED » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:59 pm

Tks vacant, thats pretty useful. I used a little bit of northdown as its for aroma at flameout so should get the aroma and not to much bitterness.
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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by Rookie » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:41 pm

Willamette was bred from fuggles for growing in the states.
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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by arturobandini » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:43 pm

Styrian Goldings has a very similar taste for me. Especially if it's for Deuchars.
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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by ADDLED » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:14 pm

arturobandini wrote:Styrian Goldings has a very similar taste for me. Especially if it's for Deuchars.
Hey arturo, similar to fuggles or northdown?

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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by arturobandini » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:21 pm

I'm no Hop maestro I'm afraid but I've drank Gallons of Deuchars and to me it has a very Styrian Goldings taste. I'm not overly familiar with Northdown as an aroma hop I'm afraid but I'm sure it'll taste a winner. Only time will tell how close you actually get to the Deuchars-alike but I never brew clones hoping for identical versions really....something of a beer "in the style of" if it gets close then....winner!

For what it's worth a few people have brewed a beer called Northdown Wonder so they might be able to throw some light on it's aroma profile. I'm about to Keg a Super Styrian Goldings (Aurora) brew and in the FV it doesn't have much of a Styrian Golding scent to me.
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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by ADDLED » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:25 am

Hmmm, i had an equipment malfunction yesterday and buggered the recipe up a bit. I think the battery in my scales might be on the way out cos when i was doughing in i though there was a bit too much malt, so i got the spare scales and weighed some out as a comparison and my normal scales were well out. Hence my 23 litre OG 1.040 brew has yielded 20 litres at 1.062.
Oh well, at least it will all fit in a single cornie now.

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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by arturobandini » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:56 am

True, or you could water it down and fill some bottles meaning less conditioning time and more Addled time. My last brew was an unexpected high efficiency so I watered it down to a quaffable 1040 as I was using Nottingham and so low attenuation was likely. I've got about 8 litres to bottles now!
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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by ADDLED » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:23 pm

LOL arturo, but that would mean time spent filling bottles, or worse still time spent cleaning bottles. I might keep it as it is and do another AG today and try to get the recipe right. Either that or do my company VAT and year end returns... ummm... flip a coin?

Also, attenuation; ive seen this countless times but never asked what it means regarding brewing.

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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by Garth » Sun Apr 19, 2009 12:28 pm

Addled, attenuation is bascially what percentage of the fementables the yeast will convert

for example, Nottingham is slightly more attentive than say S-04, so you end up with a slightly drier beer.

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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by ADDLED » Sun Apr 19, 2009 1:02 pm

Tks Garth, much appreciated. :)

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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by arturobandini » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:27 pm

I like Nottingham in Ales where I want it to finish at a lower gravity (drier) and let the hop flavours through more than say s-04 which tends to bring some yeast character to the party. First time I've used Nottingham and the rumours have been true for as it has dropped super low and tasting hoppy and crisp.
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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by OldAl » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:01 pm

ADDLED wrote:Hey everyone, im doing a Deuchars IPA AG clone today but forgot one of te main hops - i have styrian goldings, fuggle but the recipes also mentions williamette.

I dont have this but ive got these: goldings, target, challenger, northdown.
Can i use any of these instead pls?
thanks
Hi ADDLED,
I found this link http://www.brew365.com/hop_substitution_chart.php on another thread in the forum (cant remember where). It might come in handy in the future.

Btw I'm a newbie poster, how do I get 'link' to point to the URL without showing the full address?
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Re: Williamette Replacement

Post by ADDLED » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:17 am

Tks fellas, greatly appreciate your replies. Think i will try nottingham in the next brew which will be next weekend now.
take care.

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