Westmalle yeast propagation

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HighHops

Westmalle yeast propagation

Post by HighHops » Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:08 am

Just got back from a week in Belgium with work. Loving the Rochefort 6, 8 & 10,and Achel as well but especially the Rodenbach. What a beer that is - beautiful with a good steak. It's almost like drinking a full bodied red wine, but nicer cos it's beer.

It really has been a treat! :D

Anyway I managed to fit a dozen bottles of Westmalle in the suitcase. It was less than a euro a bottle in Albert Heijn!!! I have been like a kid in a sweet shop. I got six of the dubbel (7% dark beer) and 6 of the tripel (9.5% light beer).

Has any one had any success with recovering the yeast from this trappist.

Also got a bottle of ardens bruin bier 'McChouffe'. Any of you guys know if this is bottle conditioned.

I'm going back on Sunday so should catch the end of the carnival which starts tonight. =D>

lancsSteve

Re: Westmalle yeast propagation

Post by lancsSteve » Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:57 pm

I've succesfully recultured from achel and westmalle - they both use the same yeast, as does westvletern. ANd also achouffe, which like almost all good belgian beers (i.e. not leffe) is bottle conditioned with fresh yeast - usually the same strain as primary, it should say it on the label in French 'refermentation en boteille' for wallonian Achouffe or in flemish for the flemish beers.

You can use them for primary but the general advice I've seen and read (e.g. in Brew Like a Monk) is to use the wyeast or white labs versions for primary as they are more reliable and these are often multiple-strains and the yeast in the bottle may have v. different characteristics from how it would act if pure. A good use for the captured yeast is to add it at bottling stage so it can do its thing as the beers develop - which is what I'm doing with my Orval style beer. Or blend the dregs together to make a mixed belgian culture (like wlp575 which is rochefort + chimay + acouffe mix!) and see what happens!

That's certainly the 'ideal' (see http://www.mrmalty.com/yeast.htm fro strain guides and origins for wyeast and white labs) but it is expensive - if you took the yeast from more than one bottle and reculture you should do fine if it's built up sufficiently to make a good-sized starter for a reasonable-gravity wort (maybe a dubbel not a trippel) so can work fine. Good way can be to make a 'single' (lowish gravity beer) and then use the yeast cake from that to drop a trippel on to - what better way to make up a huge starter than with a beer!

The fermentation temps have a HUGE influence on character - you want it warm but not too hot or it can go all bubblegummy (I'd say mid 20s are best - good table in Brew Like a Monk)

I'm off there in the van after Easter - good to hear prices can still be so low!

HighHops

Re: Westmalle yeast propagation

Post by HighHops » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:41 am

Thanks for the advice Steve. I feel an experiment coming on when I get a stint back home in a couple of weeks. Gonna try culturing up a gallon each of Westmalle, Rochefort, Chimay and Achouffe. Could use a water bath and 4 demijohns to bring the temp up slowly over the week with an aquarium heater. Then take a blend of the yeast cakes for a bigger brew size and a bigger beer. Should be fun testing that lot!!

I need to dig 'like a monk' out again. And I might have a closer look at some of your brewdays in the meantime Steve.

I'd love to have a go at brewing a Rodenbach, what a beer! Not sure I'm ready for brett just yet though?

Haw fun in Belgium!

lancsSteve

Re: Westmalle yeast propagation

Post by lancsSteve » Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:35 pm

HighHops wrote:I need to dig 'like a monk' out again. And I might have a closer look at some of your brewdays in the meantime Steve.

I'd love to have a go at brewing a Rodenbach, what a beer! Not sure I'm ready for brett just yet though?
Just starting my first steps in Brett-world using the Orval mixed culture then next will be the Berlinner Weisse mixed culture to use in a Leipziger Gose and possibly adding a little to a Wit... or may just use sour malt in grist instead and repeat my one from last year - though this time with unmalted wheat and a cereal mash.

Brew Like a Monk is excellent - would HIGHLY recommend Farmhouse Ales and Wild Brews (and Brewing with Wheat) as well for the other styles - Wild Beers is detailed on making flanders red and brown beers...

IMHO keep old kit and instead of retiring it mark it as 'sour kit' and have a play.

Enjoy yeast experimentation!

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Re: Westmalle yeast propagation

Post by piet_v » Mon Mar 07, 2011 2:37 pm

HighHops wrote: Gonna try culturing up a gallon each of Westmalle, Rochefort, Chimay and Achouffe.
Westmalle & Chimay will work OK.
Don't bother with the Rochefort as it just won't work.
Would be surprised if Achouffe has primary strain.

lancsSteve

Re: Westmalle yeast propagation

Post by lancsSteve » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:42 pm

piet_v wrote: Westmalle & Chimay will work OK.
Don't bother with the Rochefort as it just won't work.
Would be surprised if Achouffe has primary strain.
Could you expand on why Rochefort won't work?

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