any improvement on s-04

[slurp the apprentice]

I am wondering whether i can improve my pale ale recipes by replacing safale s-04 for one of the following yeasts;safale k97,safbrew s-33'safbrew t58.I am looking at these alternatives as i know charles farem stocks these and i can pick them up at the same time of getting some hops saving the postage.

[oblivious]

k97 is a wheat yeast, T-58 is a beligan wit yeast and s-33 has a variable description.

what about US-05 and nottingham yeast?

[oblivious]

Does you homebrew shop stock K-97 in less than 500g packs?

As i have only ever seen it in this size

[steve_flack]

S-33 is apparently the old edme yeast.

Personally I don't like S-04 in lighter beer styles. It's fine for dark beers but I find it's flavour a bit too dominant otherwise. US-05 is a nice yeast but usually needs fining to get decent clarity.

[oblivious]

S-33 is apparently the old edme yeast.

Have you used it and if so what do you think?

[steve_flack]

No, I haven't. I once used EDME yeast many years ago and thought it to be rubbish - so whenI heard that S-33 was the same I decided to give it a miss.

[slurp the apprentice]

yes i would like to use us 05 but i want 500grams rather than pay thru the nose for those small sachets i didnot see this yeast on the CF webb site unless i can persaud them to start selling it?

[steve_flack]

I have a price list from last year

Yeast Strain Price Ex. Newland Warehouse per 500g pack

Safbrew S-33 £11.28
Safbrew T-58 £12.76
Safale S-04 £15.32
Safale US-56 £16.10
Safale K-97 £16.80
Saflager S-23 £28.40
Saflager S-189 £30.60
Saflager W-34/70 £30.60

US-56 is the same as US-05

[slurp the apprentice]

I have just phoned them(charles farem) they say will have some in stock soon thats why not on current web site they also said the same that us05 same as us56.

[delboy]

S-33 is apparently the old edme yeast.

Personally I don't like S-04 in lighter beer styles. It's fine for dark beers but I find it's flavour a bit too dominant otherwise. US-05 is a nice yeast but usually needs fining to get decent clarity.

Have to agree with this, i have tried a few batches of brown ale and in a taste test mine fwhich were ermented with S04 has a lot more fruityness than the commercial brown ale (newcastle).
When i next make a batch im going to go with nottingham or US-05 which ferment clean and will let the malt taste come through more (hopefully).

The stout i made with S04 was great and the extra dimmension S04 brought to it really complemented it.

[Mashman]

I have a price list from last year

Yeast Strain Price Ex. Newland Warehouse per 500g pack

Safbrew S-33 £11.28
Safbrew T-58 £12.76
Safale S-04 £15.32
Safale US-56 £16.10
Safale K-97 £16.80
Saflager S-23 £28.40
Saflager S-189 £30.60
Saflager W-34/70 £30.60

US-56 is the same as US-05

What about storage after opening?

[Garth]

airtight container in the fridge maybe?

that's how I keep my yeasts and get them out a few hours before using.

oh and yes delboy, S-04 seems to do a great job in a stout

[steve_flack]

Do you have a vacumm packing thing? I have some SafLager W34-70 in 10g packets from MoreBeer which I think they've spilt up into smaller packs (It's a bloody good lager yeast actually).

[Reaper]

What about storage after opening?

I was told by CF to keep the opened pack of dried yeast in an air tight box and put it in the freezer, it will last for a year or so. Ive been using mine now for 5 months with no problems.

regards Paul

[David Edge]

slurp:
> I am wondering whether i can improve my pale ale recipes by replacing safale s-04 ...

In which direction do you want to improve them? If a neutral yeast (ie it doesn't add its own character), good attenuation and flocculation, then why not Nottingham?

Just a thought...