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Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by jmc » Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:58 pm

Please excuse the question. Its probably been asked here before.

How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Reason for the question is because of the hours it took me to prepare about 20kg of apples to produce about 10L of cider at the weekend.

About 1/3 were picked from a tree and had little or no damage so I just washed and quartered before putting them through the scratter. (pic below)

The rest are windfalls and vary in quality. I've been given these from various sources and some are better than others.

Some look OK but on close inspection there is a hole via base and core is eaten through. Others eat into the flesh.
I think its due to 2 sorts of apple maggot from railroad fly and codling moth.
It took me ages to remove all the bits the worms had gone through and was quite wasteful ~20-25% loss

Some sources I've read say to remove all rot and don't use apples that have had a worm in them.
Others like this ref say grow-some & get on with it.
Some people say you shouldn't use fruit that has been on the ground. To these people I say "get over it!" All cider apples are harvested from the ground; No-one is going to pay pickers to pick cider apples, the economics just don't work. If an apple has been on the ground but still looks sound it will be fine. Many commercial cider makers don't even inspect their apples. They get a wash and thats it, grubs, bruises etc it all goes in.
My friend in the west country says not to worry either.

What do you do?

Pic from scratting last weekend.
Scratter recently modified by adding foot-pedal switch and c13-c14 power-lead disconnect on waste disposal unit to make it easier to handle when cleaning
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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Patterd Ale » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:36 pm

More or less the West country way for me too. Your scratter looks interesting, can I have some more details please?

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by jmc » Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:58 am

Patterd Ale wrote:More or less the West country way for me too. Your scratter looks interesting, can I have some more details please?
What do you do with ones with holes in them?

More info on scratter is here: Scratter Build + pics - Mark 2
I've just updated it with info/pics on current version which is mark 2 after 1st version blew a fuse.

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Patterd Ale » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:01 pm

I chop off the worst if I see it, throw it for the ducks.
Thanks for the info on the scratter.

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Jambo » Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:33 pm

I plan on making cider this year due to an epic apple crop. Plan on running them through my Champion Juicer.

Anyone got a good recipe for cider from real apples? Gather I need pectolase...

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Patterd Ale » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:46 pm

Just apples fella, that's all. Where abouts are you?
I used to be in Aberdeenshire.

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Jambo » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:30 am

Have read various things about adding a cup of tea or lemon juice or malic acid... The apples I've got are quite sweet so guessing I need to bring the pH down quite a bit, anyone got a number to aim for!?

I'm in oldmeldrum currently, moving along the road to Newmachar soon...

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by jmc » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:36 am

Jambo wrote:Have read various things about adding a cup of tea or lemon juice or malic acid... The apples I've got are quite sweet so guessing I need to bring the pH down quite a bit, anyone got a number to aim for!?

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I believe target pH of apple juice for cider is 3.2 - 3.8

Recommend you get a copy of this (short) book
It has a whole chapter on getting the right mix of apples before pressing and info on adjusting acidity / pH

Real Cider Making on a Small Scale
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I've love to have access to a mix of bitter-sharp & bitter sweet cider apples, but unfortunately I don't.
I've been picking up apples from various kind folk in Beds & Bucks.
I'm aiming for 60% sweet, 30% cookers and 10% crab to get balance of sugar acidity and tannin. I must admit though that majority of apples offered are cookers so far so I may have to reduce acidity a bit with potassium carbonate, which is supposed to not add a taste of its own.
I know its early but lots I've been offered are windfalls so they need juicing ASAP.
70L on the go so far. Really pleased with Mk2 scratter.

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Jambo » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:50 pm

Thanks for the advice and book recommendation - will see what I can get my hands on!

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Jambo » Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:35 pm

Have got that book now - not expensive and it's excellent, answers all of my questions. Just need to juice up my apples now!

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by steambrew » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:49 am

If the apple floats mill it if it sinks bin it we in the West Country for many years have been using the maggot ones as well two many to faf around cutting rubbish out hope this helps =D>

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by jmc » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:20 am

steambrew wrote:If the apple floats mill it if it sinks bin it we in the West Country for many years have been using the maggot ones as well two many to faf around cutting rubbish out hope this helps =D>

Thanks steambrew

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by Jambo » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:00 am

Another question. I'm going to treat my apple juice with campden tablets and pectolase. Both need two days to do their magic apparently - can they work together or do I need 4 days!?

Cheers.

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by jmc » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:17 am

Jambo wrote:Another question. I'm going to treat my apple juice with campden tablets and pectolase. Both need two days to do their magic apparently - can they work together or do I need 4 days!?

Cheers.
I'd add them together as soon as juice produced.

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Re: Cider: How do you prepare your apples before milling?

Post by kinnockthecat » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:49 pm

Freezing the apples beforehand can significantly up the juice yield!

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