when is TC wine...

[randomdave]

Might seem like an odd question but ive been thinking about doin wine. But what i dont want to do is try making wine and it actually end up cider (altho it would be drunk regardless) So what is the difference of using apple juice an yeast to make cider, and using a grape juice an yeast to make wine.

Its probably an obvious answer but while frying my brain at work i cant quite grasp it

[Marts]

Grapes make wine

Apples make cider.

I think it really is that simple.

In the end though what's in a name? They are just labels we use for alcoholic goodness.

[randomdave]

Good point well made. hehe

[Mitchamitri]

Mentally I think of a wine as something that improves with age and a TC as something that should be drunk right away - with the exception of REAL cider which is "cider" and needs at least a month to mature. Its not a scientific method but it suits me.

[tomU]

No way, TC is way better if you give it a month or two to mature. I never drink the stuff young - apart from anything else, all the yeast in suspension plays havoc with the bowels.... not conducive to a good evening if you ask me
Not sure what the difference is between apple wine and cider - I suspect there isn't any. Cider only comes from apples though. TC made with raspberry/grape/pineapple etc juice isn't cider, Its wine...

[shandypants5]

Isnt it strength related ?

Up to about 10% is Cider over that and its Apple wine?

Wine should not be drunk from a glarse wiv a handle....

[edit1now]

SP - if you get wine in a country with decent wine pubs (Austria ) then ordinary quaffing wine comes in a 200ml mug with a handle. You always drink the new wine (Heurige) like this. Posh wine comes in a glass with a stem...

[Totem]

Isnt it strength related ?

Up to about 10% is Cider over that and its Apple wine?

Wine should not be drunk from a glarse wiv a handle....

TC is drunk straight from the fv

[shandypants5]

SP - if you get wine in a country with decent wine pubs (Austria ) then ordinary quaffing wine comes in a 200ml mug with a handle. You always drink the new wine (Heurige) like this. Posh wine comes in a glass with a stem...

Thanks E1.

I shall inform SWMBO, that she is wrong, and I am not an "unwashed commoner" afterall.

[randomdave]

Could be worse could be a real heathen an just drink wine directly form the bottle

[TC2642]

Isnt it strength related ?

Up to about 10% is Cider over that and its Apple wine?

Not really, strictly speaking cider is apple wine since the process that makes it is the same as that for using grapes.

[Marts]

Isnt it strength related ?

Up to about 10% is Cider over that and its Apple wine?

Not really, strictly speaking cider is apple wine since the process that makes it is the same as that for using grapes.

Or wine is grape cider

[Mitchamitri]

Typed the question into the web and got a big article back from waitrose - in this article, although not "the law", the writer has this view:

"Unlike beer, it's made from fruit; unlike beer, it is intrinsically acidic. The main difference between cider and wine is that apples contain less sugar than grapes, so its alcoholic strength is lower. Obviously the flavour profile is different, too, not least because that acidity is overwhelmingly the sharp malic acid rather than, as in wine's case, the softer tartaric acid. But make no mistake: carefully made cider, using the finest freshly pressed apples and hygienic, non-oxidative fermentation methods, can be every bit as good as wine.
Can be. And nowadays it sometimes is, though in the recent past it has rarely been. Why not? Over the last 30 years, Britain's big cider makers have repeatedly betrayed the great traditions of the past (and especially of the late 17th century, when refined, glass-bottled British cider was considered superior to many French wines) by capitalising on cider's advantageous tax status in order to make it the drink of choice for those who buy for alcohol rather than flavour. Low cost, high strength and mediocre quality have been the curse of British cider, and when innovation has come, it has generally been gimmicky, inspired by alcopops and the quick-profit fantasies of short-lived marketing teams, rather than by the desire to make a brilliant drink from some of the world's greatest apple varieties and sell it with honesty and pride. "

[Duffbeer]

Technically the only alcoholic beverage that can be referred to as wine is that of grapes, wine is a derivative of 'vine'. However, many of the alcoholic fruit beverages made have come to be known as country wines. Cider is cider a lower alcohol drink made solely from apples, which can be made into a country wine by fermenting to a higher alcohol, higher acid cleaner tasting beverage.
Many of the TC's made ie: cranberry etc are actually low alcohol country wines, and just for an extra bit of useless info 'turbo cider' was a recipe originally posted on another forum by a guy called Des Devlin, username deadlydes and he named it that solely for the speed it took to put it together, not the fermenting speed or the alcohol kick, it was simply 4ltrs of apple juice and one tspoon of yeast, racked when finished and drunk.

[Marts]

and of course to confuse matters we have Barley wine