Apple Juice in Beersmith

[dean_wales]

OK I give up I cant gte Beersmith to understand apple juice as an ingredient.

Has anyone done this successfully? I want to add one kilo of juice to represent one litre - which weigh the same-ish anyway.

It keeps giving me brews of like 58% proof in the recipe screen when I enter gravity/yield figures that make sense to me.

Please help!

[Pinto]

Im a Brewmate users, so cant give specific advice, but I have the following down on my software;

* Apple Juice indeed weighs 1kg/l as its mostly water
* From my Turbo Cider experience, commercial apple juice gives around 1.045 SG - Potential extract is 98% or better as sugar content is mainly fructose and glucose
* Recorded as a Sugar - as its basic sugar content will ferment out completely

Hope these help in some measure

[boingy]

Assuming that the numbers Pinto gives are accurate, do this in Beersmith 2:

Select Ingredients-Grain from the top menu.

Right-click on "Sugar, Table (Sucrose)" and choose copy.

Right-click in the same place and choose Paste.

Now you have two copies of sugar. Double-click on one and change the name to "Apple Juice", the potential to 1.045 and the yield to 98%. Change the notes and costs if you care!

That should do ya I reckon.

If I create a new recipe with a brew length of 23 litres and add 2 kg of apple juice it gives me an OG of 1.033 and an ABV of 5.2%, which feels about right.

If you are still getting daft numbers check your batch size.

[dean_wales]

Assuming that the numbers Pinto gives are accurate, do this in Beersmith 2:

Select Ingredients-Grain from the top menu.

Right-click on "Sugar, Table (Sucrose)" and choose copy.

Right-click in the same place and choose Paste.

Now you have two copies of sugar. Double-click on one and change the name to "Apple Juice", the potential to 1.045 and the yield to 98%. Change the notes and costs if you care!

That should do ya I reckon.

If I create a new recipe with a brew length of 23 litres and add 2 kg of apple juice it gives me an OG of 1.033 and an ABV of 5.2%, which feels about right.

If you are still getting daft numbers check your batch size.

You see my logic is that for a 23 litre brew length of cider you would need 23 litres/kilos of apple juice and not 2!

Thereby making it ten million % ABV.

I have copied a sugar file and am playing with that. Apple juice appears to be 12% sugar and only by telling beersmith that potential extract is 12% do get something that is even vaguely working???

Dean.

[Pinto]

Ah - I think your quantities are where you're going wrong (didnt know you were trying to beersmith a cider recipe) as the apple juice is 88% water so therefore for every kg of apple juice you add you're actually only putting 120g of fermentable "juice" in the mix.

23 x120g = 2.76kg - which in Brewmate gives me an ABV of 5.9% which is on the nail perfect

Try entering that in your quantity box and tell us what it returns

Edit: thinking about it, putting in 23 kg of juice at 12% efficiency is saying the same thing, just the other way round......

[Pinto]

Right - if you want to stick with 1 kg/l, try entering your potential extract as 1.005 ( should give you 11% extraction) - its slightly low but allows for any non fermentables that might happen to be in the brew

Brewmate then gives 23l (quantity) of AJ as 5.5% ABV - near enough

[jmc]

I've tried this in GK Beer Engine, maybe it can help

I used grain editor to create Apple Juice as a version of Sugar Syrup No1
Idea is 23Kg of AJ per 23L batch. I know it should be something like 23 x 1.042 Kg but I wanted to keep it simple and just adjust Beer Engines parameters to make it work out ABV

AJ parameters
Colour 6EBC
Extract 42 Litre Degrees per Kg (LDK) (so SG =1042)
Moisture content 100%
Fermentability 85% - affects FG
(I also changed mash efficiency to 100%, but that may be a red-herring.)

For 23L batch with 23Kg AJ I get
Efficiency 100%
SG 1042
FG 0.998
ABV 5.7%
Colour 60EBC
(Ignore total liquor etc)

Maybe some figures above will work on Beersmith

ATB John

[dean_wales]

Right - if you want to stick with 1 kg/l, try entering your potential extract as 1.005 ( should give you 11% extraction) - its slightly low but allows for any non fermentables that might happen to be in the brew

Brewmate then gives 23l (quantity) of AJ as 5.5% ABV - near enough

Ah ha yes this seems work and now that you explain it, water content, it makes sense too. Now I can add my hops and grains angle get this Graff recipe nailed.

Thank you.

If I am sweeping some crystal in a little water do I enter them as a grain or an adjunct or does it not matter?