All grain hop flavour vanishes?

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ChrisG

All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by ChrisG » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:27 am

Completed 5 All Grains so far and all with aroma/flavour hops.

Each brew was different but I have noticed that over time the hop flavour seems to mellow out too much.

Could it be the following:

1. Sampling the brews too early and liking the strong hop flavour?
2. Not enough aroma hops in at 10mins?
3. Something wrong with my brewing?

of all of the above?

I reccon its just 1 & 2 what do you think.

Northern Brewer

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by Northern Brewer » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:34 am

Your beer will always mellow over time. I prefer mine after 6 weeks minimum conditioning and over time I have tweaked my recipes so that the beer tastes like I want it to, after such conditioning. Beyond 6 weeks I see very little further change.

ChrisG

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by ChrisG » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:37 am

I think I'm drinking it too early and really liking the strong hop flavour.

Gonna experiment more with hops. ;)

mysterio

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by mysterio » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:04 pm

Yeah, I find it quite annoying. I notice you're in Scotland too, could be something to do with our soft water. I dose my brewing water with gypsum & CaCl and it seems to help a little with the flavour.

I notice that almost all of the hop aroma is gone within 3 weeks or so, much quicker if the beer is carbonated.

Dumpings lots of hops in at 80C does give a very nice hop aroma, but it is a very inefficient way of using hops, considering you can pay around a fiver for 100g these days.

I get around it by dry hopping with pellets in the keg now - works really well. Dispensing by gravity or with a beer engine can help preserve the aroma too.

ChrisG

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by ChrisG » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:12 pm

hmmm so it isnt just me......never used gypsom in my brews.

Need to research this a bit more

RabMaxwell

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by RabMaxwell » Tue Nov 11, 2008 3:18 pm

Yes another Scotsman here with soft water i use calcium chloride in the mash gypsum in the boil.I used to use scary amounts of finnishing hops but found it still mellowed out now only use small amounts of finnishing hops but dry hop in the cornie with pellets like Mysterio

ChrisG

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by ChrisG » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:32 am

RabMaxwell wrote:Yes another Scotsman here with soft water i use calcium chloride in the mash gypsum in the boil.I used to use scary amounts of finnishing hops but found it still mellowed out now only use small amounts of finnishing hops but dry hop in the cornie with pellets like Mysterio

How much of each do you use? Say for a 5gallon batch

RabMaxwell

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by RabMaxwell » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:03 pm

ChrisG wrote:How much of each do you use? Say for a 5gallon batch
Sorry missed your question i have used a lot of different amounts but have recently adopted Mr wheelers figures in his calculator

Whorst

Re: All grain hop flavour vanishes?

Post by Whorst » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:15 pm

Rack it, fine it and prime it! Shortly thereafter, drink it! For you brewers who wait six weeks to drink your creation, try it after it's been in a barrel or keg for a week. I can't imagine aging a beer for six weeks unless it's starting gravity is 1.060+.

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