De-glutenised barley malt

[Daveydee]

Does anyone know how to get hold of de-glutenised barley malt. My brother has just been diagnosed with coeliac disease and is going on a gluten free diet. As an aspiring craft brewer I was hoping to try my hand at making him some gluten free beer. I know that there are beers made of rice or whatever but the idea of using de-glutenised barley malt sounds great, however I have no idea how to get my hands on any. Is it even commercial available? Any advice would be greatfully received.

[Aleman]

I do know of people who have said they can get it . . .but the minimum order is one tonne, and while I would love to make some GF beer for my wife, I'd struggle to get through a tonne

[Gadders]

Yeah, I said I would look into GF for my sister but didn't get any were. Haha 1 tonne! Im game, 500kg a piece?

[duncan incapable]

I've been looking for gluten free malt for 5 years and have found nothing commercially available in reasonable quantities.
I therefore resorted to 'other sources' of fermentables and flavourings. The Recipe FOUR STAR is a gluten free strong ale and tastes just like a beer made from malt.viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5673&p=72319&hilit= ... %27#p72319

cheers

D

[kb209]

Hi All,

I found this forum as have just bought some Green's Premium golden Ale, which has the de-glutenised barley malt.
I was diagnosed with CD more than 7 years ago and had to give up my beloved guinness, and stuck with cider for the most part.

this Green's is great, just like normal ale, so I'm just wondering how easy/difficult it would be to home brew some stout, using de-glut malt?

also, do you think Guinness would ever consider a gluten-free version, saving me the hassle of home brewing?!

thanks,

k

[Rookie]

[quote]Hi All,

do you think Guinness would ever consider a gluten-free version, saving me the hassle of home brewing?!

thanks,[quote]


"The hassle of home brewing?"
Man o man, are you on the wrong forum

[kb209]

where's your sense of humour?

any suggestions?

[duncan incapable]

Judging from the taste Greens use sorghum malt rather than de-glutenised barley malt.
Haven't been able to track down a source of sorghum malt in the UK.

For a short period Guinness made a gluten free version in Nigeria because the Nigerian government didn't allow import of foreign cereal products. The government changed its policy and now Nigerian Guinness is made from a blend of sorghum, wheat and barley. The taste of the sorghum is very distinctive.

[Rookie]

where's your sense of humour?

any suggestions?

I did mean it tongue in cheek.
How about buckwheat honey? I bought a small sample a few years ago to try it and it tasted a lot like malt extract to me. I'm not sure what a buckwheat honey mead would taste like especially if it fermented to dryness, but a bit of it in whatever you end up brewing might be good.

[De-Geert]

Being a Food Technologist, I have never heard of de-glutenised barley malt. Looking both google and scientific articles I can only find it in relation to the Green beers. So if anyone can provide more/other info, please do.
I do know that there is a quest for Coeliac safe wheat, but is does not exist yet.

Now the good news: my girlfriend has coeliac disease as well, and I have been looking for a solution for the gluten-issue. To make a long story short, the solution is Brewers Clarex from DSM. It consists of an endoprotease that can cleave gluten in harmless peptides and amino acids. Google will result in a lot of info on this topic. I have been testing it and she does not react (negatively) to the beer made with it. I must add that she only drunk small amounts as she was pregnant. I also always check for chill haze first before I let her have a sip.

[Aleman]

Interesting article about Clarex on Homebrewtalk, it is available to home brewers as Clarity ferm from whitelabs (I've emailed Rob at The Malt Miller and asked him into looking into getting some). Issues are that it only reduces gluten not eliminates it . . . and it leaves some of the gliardins intact which is why in gluten allergic and some coeliacs it may still cause a reaction.

I would like to try this, and hopefully She will be willing to act as a Guinea pig. It looks as though it will be best to use it in a pale all barley beer, of lowish gravity as it will affect body and mouthfeel.

[De-Geert]

Issues are that it only reduces gluten not eliminates it

I think the "reduces gluten" part is just a matter of safety, you only know whether digestion is 100% if you test it. That is something we cannot do withouth specialized equipment. Or with a "guinea pig". But yes, you should be carefull with it.

. . . and it leaves some of the gliardins intact which is why in gluten allergic and some coeliacs it may still cause a reaction.

Are you sure about this? How do you know?

It looks as though it will be best to use it in a pale all barley beer, of lowish gravity as it will affect body and mouthfeel.

I did a side by side test with a witbier, and tasted no difference. So a difference may be there, but it is very small.

[Aleman]

. . . and it leaves some of the gliardins intact which is why in gluten allergic and some coeliacs it may still cause a reaction.

Are you sure about this? How do you know?

Researchers Pinpoint Cause of Gluten Allergies
Comprehensive, Quantitative Mapping of T Cell Epitopes in Gluten in Celiac Disease

I did a side by side test with a witbier, and tasted no difference. So a difference may be there, but it is very small.

One thing you might want to bear in mind is that Wheat beers show up to 1000 times the hordeins/glardins/gluten that a 'barley' beer does . . . and there is considerable evidence that although barley hordeins are not as 'caustic' to 'Gluten Allergic' and Coeliac sufferers there is still a significant reaction . . . although some traditionally brewed barley only beers have been tested to be gluten free (European definition as containing <20ppm gluten) . . . meaning that if you are Gluten Sensitive or Gluten Participant you should have no problems with such beers.

[mysterio]

I made a Helles lager with clarity-ferm and gave a pint to a girl with coeliac disease and she reacted fine to it. Obviously do your own testing first. I can't say it did a great deal for clarity which whirlfloc can't do.