Im a bit lost.

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Parva

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Parva » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:17 pm

Another small tip for anyone trying to drill holes in copper pipe. :) I had a hell of a job trying to keep the drill in position long enough for it to get a good purchase on the copper, it kept sliding off. Solution, nail, hammer, hit it lightly in the spot you want to drill and you instantly have your guide for the drill, no slipping anywhere. :)

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:33 pm

Thanks for the adivce on drilling mate ill try that.

If it was to be replaced what would you repalce it with a different type strainer?

Parva

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Parva » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:44 pm

Delboy would probably be the best to ask as I'm sure he was one who's done it but I'd just try it and see how you fare before going to the trouble of replacing it. You really do need to drill a series of holes before you start though. I got away with it on the first two brews I did with fairly low hop additions but even then it was a trickle towards the end and a bloody long wait. I added 4 x 5mm holes to it and it's just fab now, no stuck wort no matter what hop additions and the runnings remain clear. Ideally, I'd have preferred half a dozen 3mm holes but 5mm seems to work equally well for me.

The strainer on the mash tun however is perfectly fine, not had any issues with that.

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:37 am

Ive decided for the first few brews to batch sparge as if its easier and doesnt really make much of a difference i may aswell just to get used to the actual brewing process. I am goign to get a sparge arm though for when i go onto 10 gallon brews.

Im going to get 1 x 10 gallon boiler with 2 elements and 1 with 1 element as my HLT thats way batch sparging will be made even easier as i can just do the first batch straight into the boiler so i wont even have to bother using stock pots etc.

I cant wait now. Think ill do a Stout or a Porter.

hoppingMad

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by hoppingMad » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:44 am

Hi Lost, on your first AG run, how bout just treat it fairly low key, use your hydrometer and have a bit of dry malt powder on hand in case you need to top up the gravity a bit. After two or three batches you will be just like the rest of us .. a knowall B'*****rd. :wink:
Good luck,
Hopp.

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:20 am

Is a standard immersion wort chiller like the one HG sell suitable for a 10 gallon boiler? My first few brews will only be 5 gallon but im not sure if ti wil be big enough.

Parva

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Parva » Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:55 am

Two points here Robdog. I would suggest sticking to a simple brew for your first one rather than a stout or porter which are more involved. There are posts all over detailing simple beers made with just one or possibly two hops and Maris Otter or similar. I'm not a real lover of darker beers and hence have not yet tried but I'd still stick with lighter ones for the time being even given my 7 AG's so far. I have started darkening them up with crystal malt successfully but you're talking about the black stuff. :) Try if you like but I'd strongly suggest that you try something like Styrian Stunner first as it's so much simpler and less likely to give complications.

I commend you on going batch sparge, it's worked for me and whilst fly-sparging is tempting (mostly to avoid having to do two mashes like tomorrow) I'm resisting the urge until I can upgrade to an 80l shiny mash tun and will continue batch sparging probably. The second point was about you ordering a second boiler with one element. If you have the spare cash then I have to agree it's a good move. I too didn't fancy messing about heating my water for the mash, draining that into an FV and then transferring back to the boiler when it was empty, too much hassle. I actually bought a Cygnet 27l tea urn and use that as my HLT. Your solution will actually be better as mine requires that I have to top up the boiler during mashing as it doesn't hold enough which is a bit of a pain. :(

Anyway, welcome to the world of AG, there's no looking back when you've made your first batch! :)

Edit: Damn, forgot the immersion chiller issue. I bought mine from Leyland as it was marginally cheaper than H&G but you'll be left with the same problem, they're made to hook over 5g boilers and not the 10g boilers we use. If you hook it on it'll barely reach the wort. On my first go I just chucked it in and didn't hook it on. With the boiling wort, the pipes softened so much that when I turned the cold tap on to chill it, water spurted everywhere! Still got a good brew out of it surprisingly. :) To remedy this I've added jubilee clips to prevent this happening and it all works just fine. You may want to consider making your own or else buying one that doesn't suffer this issue but if you do get the H&G one, get some jubilee clips on there.

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:47 am

Thanks Parva.

As for the sparing. Could i just say keep jugging water slowly onto the mash and keep topping it up from the HLT until i had the correct volume in my boiler? Not sure if this would be classed as batch sparging or not. Also not sure if i have to keep the lid on the mash tun while sparging as obviously if it takes soem time the mash may cool down.

If i went for a counter flow chiller would that be better for a 10 gallon Boiler?

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:11 pm

I may be abel to get one of those stainless steel plate wort chillers for about 45 quid which seems tempting. Its second hand like but looks in good nick and saves me 15-20 quid.

It can chill 25 litres in 10 mins im just not sure if they are any good or if they would be any use if i go onto 10 gallon batches.

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:40 pm

Parva did you change the tap on your boiler form the HG kit as ive just read some people have issues with the one thats fitted? Maybe because its plastic or something i dont know, also the mash tun taps are plastic also so im unsure whether to just give them a go ot change them?

Parva

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Parva » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:24 pm

Plate chillers and counter-flow chillers whilst better than a standard IC are usually used in pumped systems as boiling wort can be pumped around them to sanitise them. Whilst it should be possible to sanitise them in some way I personally feel that chucking an IC in for the last 15 minutes of the boil is far easier. The tap on the mash tun works just fine and is not something I am looking to replace and although I haven't yet changed the tap on my boiler it is something I am looking to do at some point. The problem with the boiler tap is that as you open it, if you're not careful there's a risk that you can loosen the entire tap assembly. This happened to me on my last brew but fortunately it didn't get so loose that wort started leaking. I'll get a ball valve on there one day, meanwhile I'll just have to be careful.

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:55 pm

Im sure it said it can run by gravity im not sure now though what to d as the auction ends in just over an hour. I may go for the IC if you think its easier.

Is it just a case of chucking the who thing in the bolier? Do you think it woud be sufficient for a 10 gallon batch.

From more reading on the subject it also seems that the plate chillers are very hard to clean so i think ill give it a miss.

I have just phoned hop and grape and he said he can make me an immersion chiller to order for a 10 gallon boiler so i may go that route, they also do a counter flow hose chiller like jims but thats about 80 notes. Id make one myself but im useless at anything DIY related an i know for a fact id fork out on the kit to make one and probaably ruin it and then have to go and buy another one anyway lol.

Im not sure i can wait for Crimbo for this kit, i may have to work my magic on the misses and see if i can have it next week :D

Parva

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Parva » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:38 pm

Yep, you could use a plate chiller with gravity flow but it may prove tricky to sanitise without a pump. They are certainly faster to cool the wort in a pumped system but I've no idea how effective they would be if gravity fed. I personally would stick to an IC just for simplicities sake. Takes me about 20 minutes to cool 5 gallons from boiling to pitching temperature. I'll soon see how long it takes on 10g as that's my next brew that I have coming up. :)

Robdog

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by Robdog » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:05 pm

Good luck with that mate you will have to let me know how you get on.

Im not going with the plate im going with the immersion as im spending enough as it is, i always seemed to get carried away when i start something new instead of just looking at what i can get away with.

The guy at HG said if i want an immersion for a 10 gallon boiler to just put in the options box with long legs? Im unsure what he means by that whether he means more coils or just longer arms to hook over the side of the boiler. If it is longer coils i wonder if it would still work on a 5 gallon brew in a 10 gallon boiler as i dont know if the whole thing has to be immersed in the wort or whether the top few coils sticking out would make any difference. If that makes sense.

adm

Re: Im a bit lost.

Post by adm » Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:14 pm

I would imagine that they would just make "arms" a bit longer if that makes sense.

I use an H&G chiller in a 10G boiler and it works fine, so don't worry too much about it. I don't hook it over the side though, i just stick it into the wort as far as it will go and then give it a gentle stir around every few minutes.

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