cost of a pint

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by Aleman » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:17 pm

Lets see

Based on a brew I did in the summer

450Kg Pale (18 Sacks)
25Kg Amber (1 Sack)
25Kg Munich (1Sack)
12Kg Caramalt

3KG Goldings for the Barley Wine and
8.85Kg of Goldings for the Bitter

2BBL of Barley Wine and 14BBL Of Bitter So 4600 pints and 700 quids worth of ingredients about 15.1p a pint ;)

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by OldSpeckledBadger » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:22 am

My costs work out to about 20p a pint for my house mild and maybe 25p a pint for my Old Speckled Hen clone. A lot depends on the amount of hops used and the yeast used.
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Re: cost of a pint

Post by Dr. Dextrin » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:46 pm

OK, the cost of ingredients is one thing, but don't forget the extras:

Say you buy £150 worth of equipment and have to replace it every 5 years, and say you brew 500 pints per year. That works out at 6p per pint.

Then there's fuel. Say a 40 pint brew takes £3 worth of leccy. That works out at 7.5p per pint.

Then there's p&p on ordering your ingredients. Say that's £5 for every order and you place one order for every three 40 pint brews. That works out at 4.2p per pint.

Water isn't free. If you pay £1.50 per cubic metre, a pint will cost about 0.1p but you'll probably use anywhere up to 5 pints of water to make one pint of beer, so that's another 0.5p per pint.

So that's another 19p per pint in extras which almost doubles the cost based on ingredients alone. :cry:

Then there's your time. #-o Say you earn the national minimum wage of £5.80 per hour and a brew takes 5 hours plus (say) another hour and a half for cleaning, bottling, ordering, etc, etc. That's about another 94p per pint which totally dwarfs everything else. Of course, if you happen to be a doctor, lawyer or banker, you might have to add a couple of zeros to the wage bill. :aarh:

So if ingredients cost 20p per pint, the total cost could be around £1.33 per pint and that's without paying for any tax, transport, premises, insurance, etc. Makes you wonder how the supermarkets can sell beer at the price they do. I guess it all comes down to the size of your mash tun.

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by mysterio » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:24 pm

Then there's your time.
I don't buy this argument. We're not running a business here - it's a hobby we do for enjoyment. I'm sure some people find the process of brewing quite therapeutic and enjoyable (I think it's a PITA but there you go :lol:) You don't go fishing, biking, skiing or whatever you do and think: 'well what's the opportunity cost of this activity, I could be earning £10 on the open labour market'.
Water isn't free.
Luckily it's our most abundant commodity :lol:

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by dave-o » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:41 pm

Dr. Dextrin wrote: Then there's your time. #-o Say you earn the national minimum wage of £5.80 per hour and a brew takes 5 hours plus (say) another hour and a half for cleaning, bottling, ordering, etc, etc. That's about another 94p per pint which totally dwarfs everything else. Of course, if you happen to be a doctor, lawyer or banker, you might have to add a couple of zeros to the wage bill. :aarh:
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Perhaps you should bill for the time spent drinking it too. What a chore!

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by trucker5774 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:45 pm

Drinking time doesn't count as it is combined with forum time!
John

Drinking/Already drunk........ Trucker's Anti-Freeze (Turbo Cider), Truckers Delight, Night Trucker, Rose wine, Truckers Hitch, Truckers Revenge, Trucker's Lay-by, Trucker's Trailer, Flower Truck, Trucker's Gearshift, Trucker's Horn, Truck Crash, Fixby Gold!

Conditioning... Doing what? Get it down your neck! ........

FV 1............
FV 2............
FV 3............
Next Brews..... Trucker's Jack Knife

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by Dr. Dextrin » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:53 pm

The cost of my time was just a bit of fun - I hope you noticed that. :wink: Being retired, it'd be a bit of a fraud to count it anyway. However, SWMBO does like to remind me how much painting and decorating I could be doing if I wasn't brewing, :( so maybe it's not an entirely pointless exercise.

Obviously drinking time also has a cost, but fortunately it's negative. It's the payback for the time spent brewing!

I think the "extras" are worth keeping in mind. It looks like those not on a water meter aren't really saving very much. But p&p looks like a significant cost so it's well worth thinking about bulk orders to eliminate this where possible. Ooh.. and don't buy more equipment than you need. :oops:

harvs

Re: cost of a pint

Post by harvs » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:36 pm

Here's my next batch...

AG#7 Harvs' Best Bitter £
Pale malt 4.00 kg £6.40
Crystal malt 0.30 kg £0.71
Chocolate malt 0.035 kg £0.08
Challenger 90 mins 50 g £2.5
Fuggle 15 mins 20 g £0.75
Irish Moss 5 g £0.2
Safale S04 £1.85


Total £12.49 so 31p per pint :D

mysterio

Re: cost of a pint

Post by mysterio » Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:46 pm

But p&p looks like a significant cost so it's well worth thinking about bulk orders to eliminate this where possible.
Yeah, this one is tough. I buy enough for about 50 gallons at a time (i.e. 2 sacks of malt). which keeps me going for 2 months or so. I'd probably buy more if I had a malt mill. Hmm I drink 50 gallons of beer every couple of months that can't be good for my liver #-o

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by micmacmoc » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:03 pm

Mysterio, wow, thats a serious amount you brew/drink! Well done! Have you a link to pics of your equipment? (er...brewingequipment)

You must remember that there will be mistakes...or what appear to be. I'm currently drinking some wheat beer i thought was knackered, moved it into the warm, the cold, then he fridge....its ok now. AND I discovered that the 40 pints of Landlord which was one of my first AGs three months back, it stank like a b*stard, is now passable. There may be disasters (I started with two) but the wonderful beer you end up with is worth the 'cost' and ceratinly worth the price. For me theres the bonus of looking busy whilst making my fave liquids come to life then shlurping them down. Priceless.

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by vacant » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:43 pm

@Dextrin

:D Here's looking on the bright side...

Typical brew from my records: Ingredients £8.74 + £1.25 p&p% + elec £1 + water 25p = £11.23 = 49p/litre = 28p/pint

I don't know how you work out electricity usage, mine is a single 2.2Kw element (12.5p/Kwh) = 27p/hour, so approaching 4 hours is just over a quid

I try and buy a 25KG sack of MO plus the rest on one order and hope to make 6 x 23 litres so split the p&p across 6 brews

I'm on a water meter.

H&G plastic bucket boiler (£18) 3xFV (£30 - mash, HLT, FV) 4x water butt taps (£8), 2x kettles (£10), braid for MT filter (£4), mesh for hop filter (£3). Plus bits and bobs ... struggling to reach £100 here? I need to add 4p = 33p/pint

During the mash, boil and a lot of the cooling you can go and earn money doing something else, I'm a slacker so I'm content to waste my life ;) I reckon I'm busy brewing for 2 hours out of a 7 hour elapsed time.
I brew therefore I ... I .... forget

Dr. Dextrin

Re: cost of a pint

Post by Dr. Dextrin » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:21 pm

vacant wrote:During the mash, boil and a lot of the cooling you can go and earn money doing something else, I'm a slacker so I'm content to waste my life ;) I reckon I'm busy brewing for 2 hours out of a 7 hour elapsed time.
Ace idea vacant! Maybe if I bought a one-man band kit I could do a bit of busking between hop additions... :roll: :lol:

mysterio

Re: cost of a pint

Post by mysterio » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:29 pm

Mysterio, wow, thats a serious amount you brew/drink! Well done! Have you a link to pics of your equipment? (er...brewingequipment)
Sorry I didn't make that clear. I brew 10 gallons at a time and brew every couple of weeks or so. Keep an eye on my threads for my equipment, I just use 70L stock pots from ebay with ball valves fitted.

Twi$t3dChilli

Re: cost of a pint

Post by Twi$t3dChilli » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:33 pm

Wow thanx guys for all your replies!
I guess money wise its just as cost effective to all grain as it is to kit brew, your only great expence is the cost of equipment but you get to benefit from tailor made awsome brews with full Bragging Rights!
Now I just need to find some more money, Body part anyone? :?: ?
Mysterio how about a clean liver :wink:

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Re: cost of a pint

Post by delboy » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:00 pm

Aleman wrote: 2BBL of Barley Wine and 14BBL Of Bitter So 4600 pints and 700 quids worth of ingredients about 15.1p a pint ;)
Thats some amount of beer :shock:

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