Souring for the 'tang'

[oblivious]

You really need to get the bottle stuff of the shelf; it’s a very different product

[niall]

Agreed, Guinness Draught has been dumbed down over the years and doesn't compare to the bottled Guinness Extra Stout, or the sublime Guinness Foreign Extra. Unfortunately many people won't touch stout that hasn't been 'nitro'ed.

[delboy]

Agreed, Guinness Draught has been dumbed down over the years and doesn't compare to the bottled Guinness Extra Stout, or the sublime Guinness Foreign Extra. Unfortunately many people won't touch stout that hasn't been 'nitro'ed.

OB and Niall agreed the bottled stuff is much better especially the foreign export stuff.
The draught seems to be the same the world over, but i suppose thats seen as a great accomplishment if you are a huge commercial brewery.

[David Edge]

You really need to get the bottle stuff of the shelf; it’s a very different product

But no better than my son's, which is why there are several bottles of Guinness FES mouldering unloved at the back of the cellar. We will taste them before we ditch them and who knows, the age might have done them some good.

{Just checked - no they've all been tasted and ditched except for a single bottle of special export which I'll try sometime; I have somebodies homebrewed stout to evaluate as well. We can do a blind tasting.}

I once had a flass of FES in France around 1980 which cost FFr12 (I was staying in hotel rooms at FFr35-50 at the time.) It was good, but not that good!

The Indonesian bottled stuff is odd. It tastes very treacley and as the island has a huge surplus of molasses one might be suspicious. However, I suspect that it is an all-malt trink using the Dublin 'malt treacle' concentrate imported for the purpose! How ecologically sound can you get!

[niall]

But no better than my son's

If he'd like to send some over we'll be more than happy to conduct a comparative tasting. Ask him to throw in a few bottles of Coopers Extra Stout as well, just to make it a bit more 'scientific'

[David Edge]

I think the postal services are a bit wary about sending liquids still. If I'm over in person I'll take up the challenge.

[oblivious]

I think the postal services are a bit wary about sending liquids still. If I'm over in person I'll take up the challenge.

And you will have to do a comparison to the porterhouse Wrasslers XXXX and celebration stout

[delboy]

The Indonesian bottled stuff is odd. It tastes very treacley and as the island has a huge surplus of molasses one might be suspicious. However, I suspect that it is an all-malt trink using the Dublin 'malt treacle' concentrate imported for the purpose! How ecologically sound can you get!

I think thats exactly what they do, i know that in nigeria and other african countries they send over the concentrate and this and malted sorghum make up the final brew.
This is because legislation to protect the countries sorghum growers demands that is makes up a fairly hefty portion of the final product (for this reason the african stout tends to be better for those with gluten intolerances).
Ohh well at least it would taste differnent from the usual BLAND draught stuff we get.

Agreed as well about being able to make better stouts at home, PoPs stout with all the differnent levels of complexity it has knocks the socks off anything i've tasted from the guiness stable.

[oblivious]

With Diageo at the reigns who know what they are capable of

[niall]

Agreed as well about being able to make better stouts at home, PoPs stout with all the differnent levels of complexity it has knocks the socks off anything i've tasted from the guiness stable.

I still haven't made an AG stout, but POPs does look good as does EBs. I look forward to brewing one for the winter.

[David Edge]

legislation to protect the countries sorghum growers

I think it's to protect their foreign exchange. But the Javan one claims to be an all-malt beer.

[delboy]

legislation to protect the countries sorghum growers

I think it's to protect their foreign exchange. But the Javan one claims to be an all-malt beer.

Surely any beer made with grain that has been malted would fall into the category of all-malt regardless of whether it was malted barley or not?

Edit : ahh i see you are talking about the indonesian version which has a different flavour .

[David Edge]

...indeed and tastes suspiciously of molasses...

[oblivious]

Surely any beer made with grain that has been malted would fall into the category of all-malt regardless of whether it was malted barley or not?.

I would have though so, as there are malted wheat, rye, oats and Sorghum available