23 days maturing and this is the result....still not happy...
New finings me thinks
The dark side
....aka the feck test 
Haze
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Vossy1
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Wez
I'm doing a brew this weekend and i'm going to use CRS in the mash, Whirlfloc Tablets and Safeale s-04, I will also be praying very hard indeed to the haze gods and have vowed not to shave again until I produce a haze free beer!
PS - It would be good if everyone could take an Avatar through a homebrew picture so we can look at other hazy beers or get envious of crystal clear ones!
PS - It would be good if everyone could take an Avatar through a homebrew picture so we can look at other hazy beers or get envious of crystal clear ones!
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J_P
My Hat is firmly in the "crystal clear and smug" ring
Both the fuggles and EKG mini mashes came out of primary after 9 days like this! My "smogometer" is off the scale
At 1010 they're both around 5.6% ABV - Should be cracking after 4- 5 weeks conditioning!
Read it and weep hazy boys read it and weep
Edit: We drank the sample jars and they taste fantastic, the dog got the drips out of the bottling drip tray and is currently sat on the bed tab in hand telling me how much he loves me!
Both the fuggles and EKG mini mashes came out of primary after 9 days like this! My "smogometer" is off the scale
At 1010 they're both around 5.6% ABV - Should be cracking after 4- 5 weeks conditioning!
Read it and weep hazy boys read it and weep
Edit: We drank the sample jars and they taste fantastic, the dog got the drips out of the bottling drip tray and is currently sat on the bed tab in hand telling me how much he loves me!
Last edited by J_P on Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Vossy1
Oh Wez...we try don't we
I expect most people would be happy with our results....a fine tasting brew that's just a little cloudy
I've done the whirlfloc...they are good but at a price
I've tried IM and got the same results as whirfloc
I've been astonished at the cold break in the copper when recircing.....but who wouldn't be, if they've not seen it before
I've checked my mash ph and it was just fine
Recently I've done protafloc and recircing and got the clearest results so far...twice over
I've used Gervin and S04 all to no avail
I use fawcetts (spelling) malt which is very good by all accounts though a little floury if you ask me
We will fight them on the features....and we will never surrender
I expect most people would be happy with our results....a fine tasting brew that's just a little cloudy
I've done the whirlfloc...they are good but at a price
I've tried IM and got the same results as whirfloc
I've been astonished at the cold break in the copper when recircing.....but who wouldn't be, if they've not seen it before
I've checked my mash ph and it was just fine
Recently I've done protafloc and recircing and got the clearest results so far...twice over
I've used Gervin and S04 all to no avail
I use fawcetts (spelling) malt which is very good by all accounts though a little floury if you ask me
We will fight them on the features....and we will never surrender
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Wez
I like it how everyone's going to use Vossys avatar
It's a proper sh1tter! We will win over in the end.
We had friends to stay at the weekend and we drank my Golden Buddy Beer, my former lager loving friend sent me a text the following day saying that it took him an hour to drink a pint of lager as it tasted "w*nk" compared to my homebrew, and he is now "Homebrew all the way" so in terms of taste I jump on that smug train!
He has now been to his LHBS and got himself geared up another convert!
It's a proper sh1tter! We will win over in the end.
We had friends to stay at the weekend and we drank my Golden Buddy Beer, my former lager loving friend sent me a text the following day saying that it took him an hour to drink a pint of lager as it tasted "w*nk" compared to my homebrew, and he is now "Homebrew all the way" so in terms of taste I jump on that smug train!
He has now been to his LHBS and got himself geared up
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J_P
Sorry Vossy and Wez I could tell you it was beginners luck if that makes you feel any better? It won't stop me feeling uber smug for the next few days though!
I did have my doubts at the start about the amount of break material floating around in the demijohns but the Safale S04 did it's usual trick of sticking the whole lot to the bottom of the fermenter like sh1t sticks to a blanket!
I expect it will do the same to the Barefoot bitter too - we shall see early next week!
I did have my doubts at the start about the amount of break material floating around in the demijohns but the Safale S04 did it's usual trick of sticking the whole lot to the bottom of the fermenter like sh1t sticks to a blanket!
I expect it will do the same to the Barefoot bitter too - we shall see early next week!
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J_P
Well done Wez 
I too have a mate who I'm working on converting except if I ever served him a beer that light he would be question my sexuality! I'm waiting until Autumn to make up a stout called "Sump Oil" that will be so dark it will suck all the light out of the room and force him to convert and make his own!
I too have a mate who I'm working on converting except if I ever served him a beer that light he would be question my sexuality! I'm waiting until Autumn to make up a stout called "Sump Oil" that will be so dark it will suck all the light out of the room and force him to convert and make his own!
Last edited by J_P on Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Chiltern Brewer
Do we think these are yeast or protein hazes?
Thing is auxiliary finings (for protein) and isinglass (for yeast) work against each other having different charges. Apparently it is also possible to overdo the dosage and stabilise the protein/yeast haze!
I've never bothered with isinglass myself, as I saw it as is an acceleration technique, and given time and a good quality yeast a beer will clear. I've never had problem with waiting for beer to mature 6 weeks in cask, and then another 6 weeks in bottle.
Note to Vossy: My 8% ABV brews were matured 6 months in cask, and 6 months in bottle before I started drinking them in earnest, and even then they improved with age and were better at several years old!
I do use Irish Moss in the copper, but use at least three times the stated dose. Also I think that dropping my beer after a few days - while the yeast is still fermenting - into a second FV has a big influence on clarity. You only have to look at the crud left behind in the primary when you do this to convince yourself. I like to cask my beer at or just above FG as soon as possible, and don't add any priming sugars, I save these for bottling.
The other possibility is the quality of your malt and/or how it is crushed. I have always been blessed (a part from my first ever AG attempt which was hazy) with good quality malt. Protein hazes can go all the way back to the malt.
I'll certainly be studying the result of my last batch in much more detail than normal, but not for at least another few weeks...
Thing is auxiliary finings (for protein) and isinglass (for yeast) work against each other having different charges. Apparently it is also possible to overdo the dosage and stabilise the protein/yeast haze!
I've never bothered with isinglass myself, as I saw it as is an acceleration technique, and given time and a good quality yeast a beer will clear. I've never had problem with waiting for beer to mature 6 weeks in cask, and then another 6 weeks in bottle.
Note to Vossy: My 8% ABV brews were matured 6 months in cask, and 6 months in bottle before I started drinking them in earnest, and even then they improved with age and were better at several years old!
I do use Irish Moss in the copper, but use at least three times the stated dose. Also I think that dropping my beer after a few days - while the yeast is still fermenting - into a second FV has a big influence on clarity. You only have to look at the crud left behind in the primary when you do this to convince yourself. I like to cask my beer at or just above FG as soon as possible, and don't add any priming sugars, I save these for bottling.
The other possibility is the quality of your malt and/or how it is crushed. I have always been blessed (a part from my first ever AG attempt which was hazy) with good quality malt. Protein hazes can go all the way back to the malt.
I'll certainly be studying the result of my last batch in much more detail than normal, but not for at least another few weeks...
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Vossy1
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Wez
And mine!Wez wrote:DaaB made a suggestion that using CRS might improve the haze....well my first few brews without CRS were all hazy, this is the first using CRS in the mash, much much clearer, this was only kegged on 25.05 so i'm hoping that after another 2 - 3 weeks it'll be better still...thumbs up so far. Vossy - I just had to use your avatar
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J_P
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Wez
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Vossy1
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Wez
