Wherry Clone

crow_flies · Post by **crow_flies** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:06 pm

I'm getting a copy of the almanac for Xmas, and I snuck a quick peek at the ingredients in Wherry. It mentions a 'secret' american hop included. I was wondering if the forum have any idea what hop it could be and how its used? I wondered if it were perhaps Centennial - late hopped or steeped at the end?

Was thinking of putting something together in Beersmith. I was going to have a bash at it at the weekend....

/CF

bitter_dave · Post by **bitter_dave** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:39 am

This has already been discussed on UK Homebrew Forum this year:

http://www.ukhomebrew.info/phpbb2/viewt ... ght=wherry

Interesting, I might have a go at this at some point.

deadlydes · Post by **deadlydes** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:16 am

in this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Home-Brewers-Re ... F8&s=books
it says
malt: pale and crystal
hops: goldings and fuggles
IBU : 30

for the record someone was pretty sure on UKHB it was late hopped with cascade

crow_flies · Post by **crow_flies** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:45 pm

I've drunk gallons of the stuff, so suppose I'm as well placed to guess as that arcticle. I am thinking of going with this recipe, about the right OG and IBU: -

Even if it doesnt taste exactly like Wherry, it should still make an interesting pint.
Any comments on the schedule from the forum?

/CF

bitter_dave · Post by **bitter_dave** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:53 pm

crow_flies wrote:Any comments on the schedule from the forum?
/CF

I don't know what others think, but that seems like a lot of sugar to me at 12% of the fermentables. Does the alamanac thingy say it contains sugar? Obviously the kit doesn't contain sugar (being an 'all malt' kit); it also finishes quite high (1014 IIRR) which I guess would suggest no/little sugar; of course if the kit has a different recipe thatn this information would be irrelevant.

steve_flack · Post by **steve_flack** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:54 pm

I just find it odd that the hop with the highest alpha is used as the aroma hop.

Maybe next time I see Ray Ashworth I should just ask him what the hops in Wherry are....

EDIT: yes that sugar level does seem high.

steve_flack · Post by **steve_flack** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:57 pm

bitter_dave wrote:of course if the kit has a different recipe thatn this information would be irrelevant.

The kit uses a different yeast at least.

bitter_dave · Post by **bitter_dave** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:58 pm

[quote="steve_flack"]Maybe next time I see Ray Ashworth I should just ask him what the hops in Wherry are....
quote]

... get him drunk and find out what the 'secret american hop' used is

norman · Post by **norman** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:43 pm

on Woodfordes wb site it states the beer has ab hint of grapefruit,the american hop that gives this flavour is Chinook.

crow_flies · Post by **crow_flies** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:44 pm

bitter_dave wrote:
crow_flies wrote:Any comments on the schedule from the forum?
/CF
I don't know what others think, but that seems like a lot of sugar to me at 12% of the fermentables. .

Yes I might try upping the malts and reducing or eliminating the sugars. I was thinking the sugars would thin the beer a little. Maybe 450g is too much @ 12%.

I know centennial has a high alpha, but it also has a very powerful flavour/aroma. The centennial brew I am finishing now is fantastic, it was like a pepperpot at first, but its mellowed beautifully over the past month.

and guys experimenting IS the fun of this hobby....

/CF

/CF

flytact · Post by **flytact** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:43 pm

I've never had the stuff but have seen the kit at my local HB shop.
Grapefruit comes from either Cascade or Chinook.
As for Centennial, a fantastic hop. An all Cent. brew is an excellent ale!

crow_flies · Post by **crow_flies** » Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:52 pm

Just finished brewing it, finally went without sugars and upped malt to 3.8kg pale and 400g crystal. Ended up bang on 1038 @ 25l

Mods to the new mashtun worked too - doubled the number of slits as I am using 15mm pipe. Ran clear from the off and got a full 25l before it dropped low.

All in all I'm felling pretty pleased.

/CF

crow_flies · Post by **crow_flies** » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:14 am

In fact this was what I went with. 30IBU bitterness and 3.8% estimated strength. Next time I'll replace the centennial with Cascade and see how much difference it makes.

3.80 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (5.9 EBC) Grain 90.5 %
0.40 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (120.0 EBC) Grain 9.5 %
45.00 gm Fuggles [4.50%] (60 min) Hops 19.3 IBU
30.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [5.00%] (30 min) Hops 11.0 IBU
30.00 gm
Centennial [10.00%] (30 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep)

90min mash @ 67.8

/CF

crow_flies · Post by **crow_flies** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:52 am

Sorry to be a bit of a Wherry bore.... but I thought I'd show a glass of the original I made, this was with Centennial as a steeping hop. I have to say it is delicious, the colour is about right, it could have done with some dry hopping to give it more nose, but pretty yummy anyhow.

Seveneer · Post by **Seveneer** » Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:01 pm

Looks very nice CF. Make's me thirsty!

/Phil.

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