IBU's for IPA's

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IBU's for IPA's

Post by moorsd » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:03 pm

Hi Guys!

I'm trying to formulate a recipe that resembles something like Green King IPA, trouble is I'm not exactly sure on how many IBU's to aim for and when to include them in the boil to make sure it has similar taste characteristics...here's what I've got so far, any advice chaps? :?

3350g Pale Malt
750g Crystal Malt

25g Challenger (90min boil)
30g First Gold (60min boil)
20g First Gold (last 15mins)
10g First Gold (Dry Hop)

OG - 1.039, IBU's - 53

steve_flack

Post by steve_flack » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:08 pm

Recipe for Greene King IPA

Take water, add caramel, waft hop near it, put in every single bloody pub.

Sorry, I can't see why anyone would want to make it at home. It's so dull.

BTW. The IBU's you're aiming at are probs about 25-30

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:15 pm

I would have agreed with you...before I tried the bottled version! It's bland and horrible in pubs as they seem to always put it through a cream flow system which destroys all the flavour! :x

When I tried it bottled it was much better, had a strong hop aroma and taste...I was pleasently surprised! :D

With regards to brewing it at home, I just wanted a light session beer with an IPA character!

mysterio

Post by mysterio » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:23 pm

There's one pub in Edinburgh which does a great pint of cask Greene King IPA, everywhere else i've tried it, its ghastly!

Your IBUS are way too high but everything else looks fine. A bit too much crystal maybe, unless you're using caramalt. I would go for around 25 IBUs.

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Post by bitter_dave » Thu Jan 18, 2007 4:51 pm

It just so happens I got a copy of the Real Ale Almanac (1999 edition)through the post today (ebay), and can reveal that Greene King IPA has the following characterisitics (or it did in 1999!):

OG 1036
ABV 3.6%
Pipkin and Halcyon pale malts
Crystal malt
Sugar
Small amount caramel for colour adjustments (if neccessary)
23 'Units of Colour'
26 IBUs
"Challenger, Northdown and Target hop pellets and hop oil; dry hopped using a small quantity of hop oil".

There you go :wink:

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:07 pm

Cheers Dave that's great! :D

I think I remember reading on the back of the Bottles lable that they use Challenger and First Gold hops though...guess like most large breweries, they've changed it over time!

The IBU info is useful...and I was spot on with the colour units (according to Promash!?) :lol:

SteveD

Post by SteveD » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:25 am

moorsd wrote:I just wanted a light session beer with an IPA character!
That is an oxymoron :D

IPA = India Pale Ale, or East India Pale Ale as it was originally. Early to late Victorian brews, massively hopped strong and pale in the OG1065 - 1075 range, brewed dry, often hitting 8+% abv. To keep them pale they used a special pale malt that was dried but not otherwise kilned for colour, called East India Malt, or White malt. Hop rates were up to 6x what you might get now..imagine 12-16oz hops per 5 gallons! IBU's in three figures..I saw 180IBU on one recipe. The beers were matured here for up to a year then sent principally to India by boat but also to USA, Australia, etc. By the time they got there they were sublime, the huge hop presence and bitterness having mellowed and been replaced by a palette of exquisite flavours and aromas, or, if they'd gone off - dumped into the harbour!

Returning Ex-Pats wanted their treasured brew back in Britain, so IPA was then also brewed for the domestic market, slightly weaker...hey, 1060, weak eh? ;) and less heavily hopped, as it didn't have to last the sea journey, though still heavy.

Come the 20th century real IPA stopped being brewed and the name was stuck on brews that were a mere shadow, if even that, of the originators of the style, but traded on the once famous name. Modern examples of this are Greene King IPA, and the utterly vile Charrington IPA. Deuchars isn't an IPA either, although it's a very good beer.

Worthington White Shield is a descendant of real IPA, though not as potent.

The IPA that comes closest to the original style and is fairly obtainable is Meantime Brewery IPA, available at Sainsburys. Try their Porter too, for a look at what an old porter might have tasted like. Those beers were created with the help of the Durden Park Beer Circle...and they know their stuff!

The best example of original style IPA I've ever tasted was also the best beer I've ever tasted full stop, which was an IPA faithfully brewed to an 1820 recipe and matured for 14 months, by the Durden Park member who also helped Meantime.

If you want to recreate a true IPA then use a grist of 100% LOW COLOUR Maris Otter pale, as opposed to the normal one. This is available from Hop & Grape, for one. Use 3.8LB per gallon (@61% efficiency- the intention is to sparge until enough is extracted, rather than max it out). Crystal malt was never used in IPA. Mash at 66c, stiff mash, for 3Hrs, in well burtonised liquor, you're aiming for max fermentability. Then raise to 77c for 30 mins. Sparge at 82-85c to collect enough wort for a SG of 1070 at your desired FV volume. Copper hop with 2.5oz goldings per gallon. (whahey! 12.5 oz for a 5 gallon brew). Cool, strain off, and rinse hops. Ferment with a good well attenuating Ale yeast. Dry hop with goldings at 0.5oz per 5 gal. Give it minimum 8 and ideally 18 months maturation.

Ooops, gone on an IPA rant. :oops:

steve_flack

Post by steve_flack » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:42 am

SteveD wrote: Ooops, gone on an IPA rant. :oops:
I managed not to. Tempting though it was. What gets me is that only one of the letters in 'IPA' applies to GK IPA - the A. They didn't even get the 'pale' bit right. :roll:

Orfy

Post by Orfy » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:32 am

The just use it as a recognisable "Brand" trying to claim some of the quality that is associated with a real IPA. Just false marketing. They sell it and treat it like lager. I don't even know why they bother to keg it.

Scooby

Post by Scooby » Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:54 am

Greene King sucks full stop :evil:

SteveD

Post by SteveD » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:17 pm

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Yeah, I know..... I tried but I just couldn't stop myself. :wink: When you've tasted something that must have come close, you kind of resent the falsch IPA's.

apart from zzzzzzzzzzzz what's your take on it?

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:05 pm

Here Here Daab! :D

At the end of the day everyone's taste is different, and does it really matter the history behind IPA anyway? The same argument can be applied to "normal" beer, as if we brewed it to traditional recipes/methods we would be drinking beer upwards of 8% ABV! :shock: Like everything beer evolves as peoples tastes and preferences change, if we all liked the same the world would be a very boring place!

I appreciate Greene King IPA isn't the best beer in the world, but it does have it's place, it is after all a massive seller across the UK. (However as I mentioned on a post before I would choose Meantime IPA over any other every time!)

I want to brew something similar to Greene King IPA next time as it is very driver friendly and more of my family/friends will drink it over my normal strength brews of 5-6% ABV at summer BBQ's etc....besides the HB version is bound to be better! :D
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Scooby

Post by Scooby » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:35 pm

moorsd wrote:



I appreciate Greene King IPA isn't the best beer in the world, but it does have it's place, it is after all a massive seller across the UK. (However as I mentioned before I would choose Meantime IPA over any other every time!)

:D
I think that says it all :!:

There should be room for all types of beer and we should be able to choose what we drink but when the likes of GK buy up Indies and foist ther IPA on us they are limiting our choice.

They did that with my favourite brew, and they continue to do it :twisted:

moorsd

Post by moorsd » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:45 pm

Well you definitly have a point there!....Fullers are another prime example :evil:

...opps have we just opened another area of heated discussion! :D

steve_flack

Post by steve_flack » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:51 pm

moorsd wrote:The same argument can be applied to "normal" beer, as if we brewed it to traditional recipes/methods we would be drinking beer upwards of 8% ABV! :shock:
I just spent the weekend in Belgium so 80% of the beers I had were that or stronger. You just drink a lot slower. :wink:

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