First grain brew

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First grain brew

Post by Belto » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:33 pm

I have got my first grain brew going and sparging at the moment
It is very slow drain off. is this the way it should be.
Testing with 3Kgs pale malt + 185 Grms crystal malt
temp kept at 66-68 C

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Post by Jim » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:35 pm

Drain off will be fairly slow, but if it stops almost completely you have a stuck mash. Sparging can take anything from 20 to 45 minutes.

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Post by Belto » Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:59 pm

Hi Jim
I am sparging from a Hot water heater witha flexible water can spray head
I think my special designed filter has not worked and what is worse I have taken a SG and it is 1015.
What shall I do chuck it and have another go next week.
I kept the mash as near to 66-68 as possible in a lagged mash tun for 90 mins

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Post by tubby_shaw » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:06 pm

If your SG is 1.015 at 20 C then I can only assume that you have had severe channeling (sparge liquor not contacting all the grain) and your only solution would be to boil with added malt extract if you have some :(
What temperature was your sparge liquor :?:
Maybe you could describe your special filter to us :?:

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Post by Frothy » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:13 pm

Belto wrote:I have taken a SG and it is 1015.
Chances are that you've collected too much wort. How much are you trying to make and how much have you collected?
Also how much water did you put in with the grain?

First AG's are tricky - best to follow a tried & tested recipe.

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Post by Belto » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:27 pm

My calculations now taking into account the temperature variations it should end up 1030 ish , but I only have 25 pints approx. shall I sparge some more to get volume
Temp of sparge water 70C.
My widget for filtering
Tube of copper protruding through holed plate covering heater element 90 degree fitting and a piece of rubber in to normall tap hole .
The copper on the base was cut away to allow liquid flow

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Post by Belto » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:45 pm

Well I am now sat down after a full day brewing a mash and repairing a leaking toilet.
The final sparged mash was put into the boiler and following loosly Dave lines Recipe for Bass.
3 kgs pale malt
218 crushed malt
80 grms goldings hops
200 grms cane sugar
80 grms palm sugar
200 grms
200 grms Molasses (My own Idea)
boiled for 90 mins
sample cooled 25C sg @1052
Any comments on my first brew and what to expect or recommendations most welcomed

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Post by tubby_shaw » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:00 pm

Well done =D> that's a good result for your first grain brew :)
I will be very interested to know how the molasses comes through in the taste.

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Post by ColinKeb » Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:28 pm

welcome to the dark side , there is no going back now :twisted:

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Post by Belto » Sat Feb 10, 2007 11:29 pm

my orignal post sems to have gone astray.
is it worth brewing from the grain or should I stick to Extract type (Less Effort)it seems that extraction success from the grain can be corrected by the inclusion of varioius sugars, am I correct or can I be educated by the converted

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Post by ColinKeb » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:20 am

look to the grain......look to the grain.....look to the grain..... :twisted:
seriously though, all grain is like building your house from the foundations, bricks, plaster, tiles and decoration at the end of the day you sit in it thinking "i did this ... all of it". extract to me is a bit like employing plasterers, brickies and roofers then siting in it thinking "i organised this ...all of it".
if youve not got the time extract is fine, if youve got the time and the brain go for the grain. :D not slating extract brewers at all here if i couldnt fit a full days brew in i would go that way too, i think if youve got the time then its worth spending it on mashing meself.

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Post by tubby_shaw » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:33 am

As DaaB said grain brewing gets easier. As you said its your very own recipe. With grain brewing you control every aspect of the production.
Just imagine the smug feeling you are going to get serving your very own "Real" ale to your friends :wink:

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Post by Belto » Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:54 am

Thank you l for comments what lovely a creative hobby

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Post by Frothy » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:48 am

Nice one belto - happy boozing :)
Once you go AG you'l never go back.

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Post by Belto » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:39 am

Well here we are on this lovely morning
I left my beer last night and this morning it is SG1055 @ 15C
I do not have the quantity I require i.e. it is approx 15 ltrs.can I top this up to 23ltrs and still maintain 5-6% brew
Apart from the risk of infection is there any disadvantage leaving the brew to cool to 15C and then pitching the starter yeast and placing on the heater mat

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