Brewday 3rd March - Old Git Pale Ale

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Brewday 3rd March - Old Git Pale Ale

Post by SteveD » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:34 pm

A brew to fulfil two purposes. I need a fallback brew because the goddam porter isn't going to be even worth looking at by the next brewclub meet, and
I remembered that my birthday is also at the end of March, so a beer is needed for that too.

Hence Old Git Pale Ale
Target OG 1044 there's a clue ;)

Actual OG1047 wishing age upon myself :(

4.5kg Maris Otter Pale (Warminster)
46g Goldings - copper
42g Styrian G's - copper
30g Styrian G's - last 15 mins
45g Styrian G's - on switchoff
15g Styrian G's - dry

Never used there before - want to see what they taste like :)

Yeast is 2 packs Nottingham with special care taken during rehydration and working up. Much aeration of bulk wort will happen, and I have yeast nutrient at the ready.....just let the b@stards try it! :lol:

Prepped liquor last night with CRS and sodium met -53L knackered and then went to bed.

This morning - OOOOOhhyah! PH bleedin 4.6 ish! Something's gone wrong.

Either... Water company report wrong (water varies - it's an approximation at best) or, my maths was wrong, or my measuring apparatus is wrong.53L nominal vol Alkalinity given as 180 as CaCO3 (220 as HCO3). I calculated on .765ml/L to drop it to 40ish - near enough 41ml CRS. I added 1.5 campden tabs - which would have a negligible effect. Measured using measuring spoons.Anyway, I replaced about half the liquor with fresh, until the PH rose to 5.5 ish. Problem was I'd already added DLS to the grist, so more acidity on the way...

Numbers - Unmeasured volume of Liquor ran into mashtun at 75c, Strike heat 73c, Initial heat 67c, mash time 90 mins, temp at end 65c bulk, 63-64c at edges. Mash fairly thin.

Mash and sparge uneventful, ph low at 4.9-5.0 ish. HTL temp almost boiling gave a mash bed temp between 72-77c. Stopped sparging at 1008. Modified my anti-aeration wort delivery pipe or AAWP as the americans would quickly label it, by shortening it so it points straight down and stepping down the gauge progressively. This completely stopped the problem I was having with air backing up into the manifold.

Boil underway now, outside. 90 mins, irish moss in at 70 mins. Plenty of break.

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Boil over, modified recipe to leave me 15g Styrians for dry hopping, so only 45g in postboil.

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Cooling outside with IC, Small flies unduly interested...little sods. Cooling seems very fast today, down to 20c in 30 mins. Quick break for dinner and - it's at 10c. COLD break central! Still, it'll make for good aeration. Run off and areated by spraying over paddle to create a fine shower into FV.

Preliminary readings would suggest I'll be 2 or 3 degrees over 1044 at 24L. Ah well. Wort thick and glutinous at 10c, break material held in suspension. Continued aeration indoors spraying from one FV to another. Made up to 24L with lukewarm sparge liquor then 1 L of boiling liquor to 25L brought it to 18c and OG1047 Efficiency 87% - too strong, meaning I didn't stop sparging early enough. A refractometer would make the stop point easier to determine. Must get must get.

25L is a silly volume to have in a 25L FV so I decanted a litre into a sanitised pet bottle to freeze for those 'if only I had a bit of wort' moments.

Yeast prepped closely following danstar instructions, pitched 8.45pm and FV put into Steve's custom attemperator, as per porter brew.

They're under starter's orders...and they're off! :D

24 hrs later.....a slower start and less massive head. Just getting the rocky head now, and a 2" thickness. Fermenter steady at 18c. That's more like it
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Post by Andy » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:41 pm

Are we back to the "Alkalinity as CaCO3" vs "Total Hardness as CaCO3" discussion again ? :lol:

Sounds like a nice hoppy brew Steve, will be good tasting that one later this month 8) Hope the rest of the brew goes well...
Dan!

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Post by Frothy » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:35 pm

Rainwater any good? Good looking brew, best of luck with that water.

Frothy

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Post by Seveneer » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:40 pm

And to think you guffawed at my, "that ought to just about do it" attitude to water acidification :lol:

Hope it all goes well Steve.

/Phil.

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Re: Brewday 3rd March - Old Git Pale Ale

Post by Jim » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:47 pm

SteveD wrote:Target OG 1044 there's a clue ;)..
You old git! :lol: :wink:

Seriously, hope all goes/went? well.
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Post by Jim » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:55 pm

DaaB wrote:That means you should be brewing barley wine Jim :P :wall
Heh! :=P Maybe a strong pale ale!

Funnily enough, today's brew came out at 44. That must be my physiological age (I wish).
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Post by SteveD » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:15 pm

DaaB wrote:
Boil underway now, outside.
Hope you managed to get the boil finished before the rain started. :dry:
It started, I swore, it went away. :D Back inside now so danger has passed.

Phil.. yeah, I know. :oops: I always kept it simple but, lured by the technochemists, I thought I'd have a go. I'm still trying to work out what went wrong. Biggest problem is being unable to determine that my volumes and weights are accurate. What's a litre? How can I accurately weigh gram weights with what I've got? How accurate are measuring spoons. If I weigh water - are the scales accurate - and so it goes on.

What I'll do next time is add CRS bit by bit testing as I go, and halt at say PH 5.5 - either that or bin it, and go back to a bit of lactic acid, campden tabs, and a dollop of gypsum for bitters. Seemed to work ok before.

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Post by Seveneer » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:24 pm

Never mind Steve, I'm sure it'll work out fine in the end :D .

I'm sitting in the garage right now watching a boil that is going to take weeks to get down to the right gravity. Ph was good though :wink:

/Phil.

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Post by SteveD » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:15 pm

I reckon it will be ok too. I fixed the brewing liquor straight away, and the resulting mash PH was about 4.9-5.0 which isn't grossly out. Tastes fine. Styrians definitely have a markedly different aroma to them compared to say Goldings.

Gradual addition and testing for me from now on. I don't trust either the water report or my maths! Or..I'll ask Andy :) He gets it right and has much the same water as I do.

My main problem is I'm not equipped for accurate measurement of small (or indeed large) liquid volumes, and small weights, which makes using water treatment salts more difficult.

How's the boil Phil? What are you brewing, 1824 Burton Ale, OG1140? :wink:

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Post by Andy » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:26 pm

SteveD wrote:Gradual addition and testing for me from now on. I don't trust either the water report or my maths! Or..I'll ask Andy :) He gets it right and has much the same water as I do.
My water report has the following:-

Calcium 109 mg/l
Total hardness as Calcium Carbonate 289 mg/l

I've found that, for me, using the same value for Alkalinity (CaCO3) as my calcium value == 109, gives the correct amount of CRS.

So for pale ales I add 0.32ml/L of CRS.
Dan!

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Post by SteveD » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:42 pm

Andy wrote:
SteveD wrote:Gradual addition and testing for me from now on. I don't trust either the water report or my maths! Or..I'll ask Andy :) He gets it right and has much the same water as I do.
My water report has the following:-

Calcium 109 mg/l
Total hardness as Calcium Carbonate 289 mg/l

I've found that, for me, using the same value for Alkalinity (CaCO3) as my calcium value == 109, gives the correct amount of CRS.

So for pale ales I add 0.32ml/L of CRS.
That's interesting because I specifically asked for total hardness AND alkalinity, which were 275, and 180 respectively (180 when converted to CaCO3 from the 220 HCO3 value actually given). I reckon I changed getting on for half the liquor, which when you allow for dilution, as I exchanged it 5L at a time (the size of my jug) it would appear to roughly tie in with your figure of 109. Certainly, If I'd gone with that, I'd have been a lot nearer. Wierd.

My Ca is 110

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Post by SteveD » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:44 pm

DaaB wrote:
Or..I'll ask Andy Smile He gets it right and has much the same water as I do.
be careful, he also uses poison :lol:
That's ok, I use rotten fruit. Got some soft fruit fermenting behing the radiator now :lol:

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Post by Seveneer » Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:57 pm

Hi Steve,

All done now. Drank far too much during the mash and boil. Now have a hangover :lol:

Just another 1.044 bitter. Trying to get the stocks of bitter up to scratch.

/Phil.

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Post by Andy » Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:00 pm

:lol:

I've still got four empty cornies - one is earmarked for Wotnot Landlord which is currently conditioning, another for a kit brew I'll be doing shortly ( :wink: ) so that leaves two free. Better get brewing 8)
Dan!

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Post by SteveD » Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:24 pm

Seveneer wrote:Hi Steve,

All done now. Drank far too much during the mash and boil. Now have a hangover :lol:

Just another 1.044 bitter. Trying to get the stocks of bitter up to scratch.

/Phil.
A hangover at 10pm..ouch. Runningsh down the shtocks of bitterzz, were you? :lol:

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