Brewdog Libertine Ale recipe attempt?

[djavet]

Hi!

I had this week a Brewdog Liberting Ale... whhhhoooowwww what a beer!

I'm searching to clone it. I've see on Brewdog website that it's:
ABV:7.2%
OG:1069
IBU's:65
Malts:Maris Otter, Caramalt, Munich Malt, Dark Crystal Malt, Carafa
Hops:Simcoe
Twist:A single hop black ale; loaded with Simcoe.

Anyone had a clone version (AG or extract). Which yeast?

Thx a lot for your feedbacks.

Hoppy regards!
Dom

[darkonnis]

Right, I think they use a british ale yeast for all their beers. I haven't tried it so I can't comment other than that. Be interested to know how you get on!

[Hanglow]

That's about 80% apparent attenuation so we can safely rule out windsor

[bigrichlock]

you want a clean yeast so 001 is a winner and this ties in within the IPA book with the recipe for hardcore IPA

Rich

[djavet]

thx.
I was thinking what could be the malt bill. It's some kind of porter profile with the fresh tast of hop.
First idea was to clone the Punk IPA, keep the hop schedule, exchange all hops with the single simcoe and dry hop as well with simcoe. Then I've to find a porter which can fit this profile.
Any idea of a porter which let the freshness of the hops going through?

Thx for all your input.
Dom

Brewdog Punk IPA
English IPA
Type: All Grain Date: 31.03.2013
Batch Size (fermenter): 19,00 l Brewer: Dominique Javet
Boil Size: 33,90 l Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 90 min Equipment: Pot (15 Gal/60 L) and Cooler (42 L) - All Grain DJ
End of Boil Volume 23,70 l Brewhouse Efficiency: 72,00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 16,16 l Est Mash Efficiency 86,3 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30,0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4,42 kg Pale Malt (Weyermann) (6,5 EBC) Grain 1 100,0 %
27,41 g Chinook [13,00 %] - Boil 60,0 min Hop 2 45,0 IBUs
28,00 g Simcoe [13,00 %] - Boil 0,0 min Hop 3 0,0 IBUs
1,0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50,28 ml] Yeast 4 -
28,00 g Nelson Sauvin [12,00 %] - Dry Hop 0,0 Days Hop 5 0,0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1,053 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1,046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1,009 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1,010 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5,7 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 4,7 %
Bitterness: 45,0 IBUs Calories: 427,1 kcal/l
Est Color: 9,3 EBC
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Batch Sparge, no mash out, 1 step Total Grain Weight: 4,42 kg
Sparge Water: 26,80 l Grain Temperature: 22,2 C
Sparge Temperature: 75,6 C Tun Temperature: 22,2 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5,20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 14,53 l of water at 71,6 C 65,0 C 60 min

Sparge Step: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun, , 26,80l) of 75,6 C water

[bigrichlock]

Not sure about a porter i would go more like an IPA with 5 or 6% special Cafra III in it to give the black colour, from when i last had it i would describe it as a black IPA more than a porter.

Rich

[djavet]

Was thinking to a porter because the grains bill: Maris Otter, Caramalt, Munich Malt, Dark Crystal Malt, Carafa

Wondering...

Dom

[bigrichlock]

A Porter would normally contain brown malt and it would get its colour from the dark crystal malts, but this beer is a lot cleaner and there is not the body you expect from a porter, its a lot thinner.

My guess for the grain bill would be something like

Maris Otter 72%
Caramalt 7%
Carafa III special 6%
Munich 12%
Dark Crystal 3%

Its a black IPA with a small hint of dark crystal?

Cheers

Rich

[Chunk1234]

Right, I think they use a british ale yeast for all their beers. I haven't tried it so I can't comment other than that. Be interested to know how you get on!

Surely that can't be right! All of their hop-forward beers (Punk, IPA is Dead, Hardcore, Dead Pony Club, Chaos Theory, ...) have basically zero flavour contribution from yeast. Makes much more sense to me to use a west coast ale strain instead (WLP001, 1056, US05).

[Fuggled Mind]

Hi Dom

I agree, Brewdog's Libertine is a very good beer.

In a previous post, Jimp2003 details how he made his black IPA based on an American IPA. See the thread below for details.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=55078

Not tried it myself but it looks like a great recipe.

Cheers

Jason

Where abouts in Switzerland are you?

[djavet]

Thx. I wil give a look tonight.

I'm near Fribourg. And you?

Dom

[Befuddler]

Its a Black IPA. The crystal malts are there in quite small amounts to give it some backbone, like a lot of American IPAs. The Carafa is what gives it all the colour. By far the most important factor in this beer is an absolute shitload of Simcoe, both kettle and dry.

Use a clean yeast, it has no presence in this beer.

[djavet]

Thx for the feedback.
I've try to compile all the infos around and here is my first attempt to Libertine Ale:

Libertine Ale Clone > Draft
Imperial IPA
Type: All Grain Date: 17.11.2011
Batch Size (fermenter): 18,93 l Brewer: Dominique Javet
Boil Size: 32,12 l Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 75 min Equipment: Pot (15 Gal/60 L) and Cooler (42 L) - All Grain DJ
End of Boil Volume 23,62 l Brewhouse Efficiency: 72,00 %
Final Bottling Volume: 16,09 l Est Mash Efficiency 86,4 %
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Taste Rating(out of 50): 30,0
Taste Notes:
Ingredients


Ingredients
Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4,35 kg Pale Malt (Weyermann) (6,5 EBC) Grain 1 75,1 %
0,64 kg Munich I (Weyermann) (14,0 EBC) Grain 2 11,1 %
0,32 kg Carahell (Weyermann) (25,6 EBC) Grain 3 5,5 %
0,24 kg Caraaroma (Weyermann) (350,7 EBC) Grain 4 4,2 %
0,24 kg Carafa I (Weyermann) (630,4 EBC) Grain 5 4,2 %
14,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Mash 60,0 min Hop 6 4,1 IBUs
35,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 75,0 min Hop 7 53,2 IBUs
14,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 10,0 min Hop 8 7,4 IBUs
14,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Boil 0,0 min Hop 9 0,0 IBUs
1,0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) [50,28 ml] Yeast 10 -
28,00 g Simcoe [12,90 %] - Dry Hop 5,0 Days Hop 11 0,0 IBUs

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1,069 SG Measured Original Gravity: 1,046 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1,012 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1,006 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 7,5 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 5,2 %
Bitterness: 64,6 IBUs Calories: 421,7 kcal/l
Est Color: 44,5 EBC
Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge Total Grain Weight: 5,79 kg
Sparge Water: 22,81 l Grain Temperature: 22,2 C
Sparge Temperature: 75,6 C Tun Temperature: 22,2 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5,20

Mash Steps
Name Description Step Temperature Step Time
Mash In Add 18,11 l of water at 71,9 C 65,0 C 60 min

Sparge Step: Batch sparge with 2 steps (5,25l, 17,56l) of 75,6 C water
Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage

Carbonation Type: Keg Volumes of CO2: 2,3
Pressure/Weight: 86,48 KPA Carbonation Used: Keg with 86,48 KPA
Keg/Bottling Temperature: 7,2 C Age for: 30,00 days
Fermentation: Ale, Two Stage Storage Temperature: 18,3 C
Notes

Malts substitutions: http://kotmf.com/articles/maltnames.php

I've choose the malts regarding the subtitution table (see notes) as the malt bill are not available under the same name in Switzerland as in UK.

@Befuddler: could you name a clean yeast strain? I've thinking to the S-05 or it is too fresh for this one or better to go with a S-04 which will finish more dry maybe?

I've taken the same schedule as the Hardcore IPA from the IPA book (Mitch Steele) + add some Simcoe in the mash to lead to more hop profile.

Thx in advance for your inputs and feedback.
Sounds very yummmy... and cannot be so bad

Hoppy regards,
Dom

[Befuddler]

US05 would be a perfect yeast for this. S04 has a distinctive flavour and wouldnt be appropriate.

You need loads more Simcoe late and dry.. at least 5x that amount IMO.

[bigrichlock]

Hops - 100g at flame out for a 30 min steep then 100g in the dry hop should do it!

Rich