Quick and easy question... or two

[Orkney_Rob]

Now, I am not switching to the dark side *just* yet - but because I couldn't face any more thesis writing I started looking into what I would need... and it got me thinking (dangerous I know)....

If I got a 30l boiler, boiled a 23l batch to make my wort - I am taking it you then sparge with fresh water from another container? So that would lead me with significantly more than my 23l brew to ferment would it not? Or do you only use a couple of liters for sparging which would make up the difference lost through the boiling process?

I was looking at the brief description on Brew Genie - they tell you to decant the wort after 15 minutes settling, then force cool it in a second vessel - if this was the FV, would that not leave the cold break protein in the brew... so would I infact need to transfer it again to another vessel once cooled.

Really... I am thinking of sometime in the future... honest.... Damnit I can see my will is going to crumble far too soon and I will be suckered in by all you lot and your cunning brews

[prodigal2]

Daabs batch sparge technique, cuts to the chase. When I have read other write ups of the technique on the net, it has sounded like brain surgery blindfolded whist using a fork.

So DaaB is the two lumps the correct British term then?

[Orkney_Rob]

Aaah - righty, I think I am getting the idea!

So if I got - hypothetically of course - a coolbox mash tun I could put the grain in this, heat up water in a boiler to the appropriate temperature and pour it in the box. Stick the lid on and leave it to do it's stuff.

Then drain out the liquid into another container (fermenting bucket perhaps), and pour more hot water over the grain until the sugars are out and into the third container.

Empty the whole lot back into the boiler and boil away!

Is that about right? Is it really that simple, but cunningly overcomplicated by people wanting to make it seem like some form of voodoo???

[roger the dog]

So if I got - hypothetically of course - a coolbox mash tun I could put the grain in this, heat up water in a boiler to the appropriate temperature and pour it in the box. Stick the lid on and leave it to do it's stuff.

Then drain out the liquid into another container (fermenting bucket perhaps), and pour more hot water over the grain until the sugars are out and into the third container.

Empty the whole lot back into the boiler and boil away!

Is that about right?

Apart from adding the hot water to the coolbox then adding the grain, that's exactly what I do

[Orkney_Rob]

Apart from adding the hot water to the coolbox then adding the grain, that's exactly what I do

Ah well, I was close then

Cheers!!!!

Probably still going to do a few kits more first to get the process sorted, then we shall see - I am still tempted to have a go at extract brewing first to get some more idea about what different components do to flavours without the hassel, then make the full final switch to all grain...

But I will probably get carried away with this whole lark and rush into it as I usually do

[anomalous_result]

Is it really that simple???

Seems so. If you find where to get a cheapo coolbox from tell me and if you feel like making your own boiler tell me how too. Electronics worry me, I struggle to keep the smoke in the wires in my car, but want to make my own =)

[AT]

Apart from adding the hot water to the coolbox then adding the grain, that's exactly what I do

Ah well, I was close then

Cheers!!!!

Probably still going to do a few kits more first to get the process sorted, then we shall see - I am still tempted to have a go at extract brewing first to get some more idea about what different components do to flavours without the hassel, then make the full final switch to all grain...

But I will probably get carried away with this whole lark and rush into it as I usually do

I was planning on doing extract first but Daab kindly pointed out to me that this step is not needed and he was right. Jump in there it's a very enjoyable experience and it will blow your kits out of the water. You'll never look back but beware of shinyitis which it seems every all grain brewer catches sooner rather than later

[Horden Hillbilly]

Orkney_Rob, if you want to see how simple it is to do an ag brew please check out my website Here

As others have pointed out, it is not rocket science, I made the jump from kits to ag in one go, if I can do it anyone can!

[Orkney_Rob]

NOOOO not shinyitis, that way leads divorce m'lud!

See - problem I have is that I am also a photographer, mountain biker and sometimes mountaineer... all of which suffer from acute shinyitis disease! I celebrated finishing the taught part of my MSc with a shiny new bike - a "cheap" one as it was to be a throw about machine to keep my posh bike happy... you know... only a grand or so!

And don't get me started on cameras! If you know about such things it all started up after a break from photographing stuff with a Canon EOS 3... which was good... but then digital came along... and the only thing near good enough was an EOS 5D.... ouch

I think I had best try and stick to the cheap and cheerful end of the market on this new hobby eh

[slim34]

i really sympathize with your plight. I myself have only recently emerged from this torment, perpetuated by the self-aggrandizing printed literature of camra beardy wierdies who revel in their techno jargon and traditional terminology.

I read the same two books over and over again until i was so confused I gave in. Then after a period of months the desire for full home brew haunted me so much I decided to invest in a full grain kit with instuctions at the mighty cost of 300quids, thinking that the kits combined with instructions would save me.

Unfortunately there were actually no instructions, just another copy of one of the books i already had.

4 brews and months later i think i am just about getting it. Nowhere in the two books i purchased was a single diagram of the basic setup of boiler to mash tun, to bucket, back to boiler and to fermenting bucket.

What i have managed to glean from this excellent forum in the last few weeks is that there are an infinite number of setups each with it's pros and cons. There is actually no right or wrong way, only different ways. And finally that the whole thing is darned exciting when you finally take a glug of tasty beer that you made from some grains and flowers.

[delboy]

i really sympathize with your plight. I myself have only recently emerged from this torment, perpetuated by the self-aggrandizing printed literature of camra beardy wierdies who revel in their techno jargon and traditional terminology.

I read the same two books over and over again until i was so confused I gave in. Then after a period of months the desire for full home brew haunted me so much I decided to invest in a full grain kit with instuctions at the mighty cost of 300quids, thinking that the kits combined with instructions would save me.

Unfortunately there were actually no instructions, just another copy of one of the books i already had.

4 brews and months later i think i am just about getting it. Nowhere in the two books i purchased was a single diagram of the basic setup of boiler to mash tun, to bucket, back to boiler and to fermenting bucket.

What i have managed to glean from this excellent forum in the last few weeks is that there are an infinite number of setups each with it's pros and cons. There is actually no right or wrong way, only different ways. And finally that the whole thing is darned exciting when you finally take a glug of tasty beer that you made from some grains and flowers.

Great post, thats where the internet and places like this come into their own, actually seeing what the process is on various peoples webpages and also being able to ask people and get feedback from them very quickly

[stevezx7r]

Listening to a bit of Cat (Stevens), fugged when I shoudln't be, and finding it hard to find the right key to press....all I can say is is ,,,Right On !!!1

The amount of shitreture i've read is scary, but hey, this is brewin'



I keepp dropping my mouse...tiem for bed.

[delboy]

taxi for steve

[stevezx7r]

Oh Lord, did I really type that ! ?

Note to self - Stay away from the puter when pished.

Sorry for jumping in on the thread btw.