Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

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Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by adm » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:40 pm

Today, I received some new shinies (and more hops) from BeerBelly in Australia, so of course I went to test them all out.

I got a new hopscreen, a hopback and also a plate chiller (I know.....but I ordered it before the last thread on the difficulty of cleaning these).

Aaanyway, I thought I'd do another batch of the Galaxian Pale Ale I did before as it was so good - even though I lost almost the whole kegful due to a leaking beer out post.

The recipe for 23l was:

Grain
5.5kg Maris Otter
250g Medium Crystal
150g Wheat Malt

Hops
15g Galaxy Pellets First Wort
25g Galaxy Pellets 15 mins
25g Cascade Whole Hops in the hop back
I figured that hop pellets in the hop back wouldn't work, so went for the Cascade instead.

Yeast
US-05

Water treated to Dry Pale Ale setting on Graham's water calculator.

This should give me 23l at 1052 and 44 IBU

First off, here's the shinies:
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This is the hopscreen, it's rather nice....all stainless including all the fittings. It screws into the 1/2" female thread on my kettle. There is a downward facing pickup tube inside the screen that gets to about 3mm off the floor of the kettle.

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Here's the plate chiller and hopback. All the stuff is really well made, very good quality welds, thick stainless steel and top notch fittings. All good so far. The discolouration is due to me baking them in the oven at 230C for an hour to make sure they were clean and sterile. I might give them a soak in citric acid and a go over with barkeeper's friend tomorrow.

The hopback is packed with 25g of Cascade flowers

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Here's the grist

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Mashed in

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I hit my target mash temp (66C) pretty much smack on. It got down to 64.4 by the end of the 90 minute mash

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Here's the first lot of hop pellets. These things are so small it almost doesn't look worth it.....but they smell SO GOOD!

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And the first runnings going in

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This is the mash pH after about 75 minutes. I forgot to take it at the beginning of the mash

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Here's my cunningly bodged setup.....I just want to get everything working before I make it pretty! I've had the March May pump for a while, but this is it's first outing. The free barb on the plate chiller is the beer out to the FV. The ball valve is to control the flow through the chiller.

All went well with the mash and the boil so i went to run off, turned on the water to the chiller, opened the ball valve on the kettle, nice flow to the hopback, turned on the pump and.......nothing.

Balls.

After a while, i started getting a dribble through the hopback into the pump, so I went off and left it. Came back 10 mins later to find that the base of the FV wasn't even covered yet. So much for that approach.

The problem was, the hopback was blocking the flow to the pump. Of course, I think I did a stupid thing by shooting pellet trub into a hopback completely full of hops - it just filled up all the crevices and jammed the flow almost instantly.

In the end, I took the hopback out of the loop and....whoosh......about a minute later, I've got 23 litres of wort in the FV. Of course, i still had the ball valve controlling the chiller flow fully open, so it all just shot through there. Mind you - it still dropped the wort to about 38C in about one minute. Pretty damn good (30 plate chiller)....but it would have been perfect if I had remembered to close it then just cracked it a little to control the flow.

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Once the hopback had cooled down, I opened it up to find that I had obviously packed too many hops in there, they had got wet and expanded and compressed themselves. You can even see the marks from the screen at the end of the hopback on this plug of hops. No wonder the wort couldn't get through. At the other end, the hops were completely covered in pellet trub.

So - moral of the story......less hops in the hopback, and probably don't use it at all if there are only pellet hops in the kettle. The fine pellet trub just clogs things up.

On a positive note, the small amount of wort that did get though the hopback smelled incredible. Much more intense than using a last minute addition.

But - as I took the hopback out of the circuit, I'm not going to have much of this lovely aroma, so I think I will have to dry hop this one.

Is it possible to dry hop with pellets? If I chuck some into the FV once the primary fermentation is done, do you think that would work? Leave it a week and then carefully rack to the keg and fine in the keg?

I hope the hopback isn't a complete washout! I'll try it again with just flower hops in the kettle and about half the amount of hops in it. C'est la vie....

Another positive was that the hop screen coped just fine with the pellets. The pump sucked everything out of the kettle in no time......I didn't realise that they actually sucked as well as pumped and it didn't half go fast! It's a 1/5th HP motor on it and I'm impressed. It's also far quieter than I thought it would be.

Well, I think my FV full of wort should be down to around 25C or so now, so I'd better go and pitch the yeast in a bit.

Thankfully, the beer should be fine! It's got a lot of cold break and a fair bit of pellet trub in it, but that will all settle out in the FV.

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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by Andy » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:48 pm

Put the pump before the hopback in the chain would be my suggestion, I'm not surprised nothing came out to be honest.
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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by adm » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:49 pm

Doh!

(Bangs head on keyboard)

Good idea!

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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by Andy » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:54 pm

If you've got some old hops lying around then I'd do a dry run using water in the boiler to see what works best, hopefully having the pump before the hopback should do the business. If it's a non-self priming pump then I'd also have the pump on the floor so there's a bit more head (matron etc :roll: ) between boiler/pump, will help when the boiler level gets low.
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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by adm » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:00 pm

I may well try it that way tomorrow......but I'll probably do another live test as I've only got fresh hops (and loads of them too!)

I think I'll still put less hops in the hopback though, and just use flowers this time.

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Post by coatesg » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:21 pm

Bad luck about the troubles - but it's a great looking setup now - will be brilliant once you've ironed out the teething issues!

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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by yashicamat » Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:53 pm

Looks a good setup Alasdair. 8) In my brewday today I FWD hopped (for the first time) with 16g of Chinook pellets. At 11.1% AA that was all that was needed, but it just looks so odd with such a tiny amount in the boiler!
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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by Hogarth » Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:13 am

That's some beautiful kit there, ADM. :envy: Got me so hot I had to go and browse Beerbelly myself.

May I ask, what's inside your hopback? (Sorry, 'Inline Hop Infusion Cylinder' :lol: ) In your photo it looks as though your hops had been pressing against a mesh disk, whereas the photo on the website shows a cylinder. I'm asking because I'm planning a cheap knock-off using a water bottle.

Also, what sort of plastic tubing is that? I noticed it on a previous brewday of yours and meant to ask.

Hope the beer is galactic despite teething troubles.

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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by adm » Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:44 am

Hogarth,

I noticed that on the BB site they said the hopback was no longer available due to redesign - and I think I must have the first of the new design ones.

The one in the pic has a tubular screen going up the middle, but mine just has a simple circular SS screen (same size holes as the hop strainer) across the end of the cylinder. It's probably cheaper to make it that way. Whether it's any better or not, I have no idea. The only positive thing I can think is that it would force the wort to travel through all the hops, rather than making a detour earlier on the cylinder screen version.

I'll take some pics tomorrow, but it's basically just a cylinder with a circular SS strainer disk at one end and inline inlet and outlet. The plug at the input end is made of some kind of incredibly hard engineering plastic (reminds me of a modern version of bakelite) that's been turned on a lathe and fitted with a thick O-ring to let it seal.

One thing I've noticed that I think I will modify is that the SS screen fits directly against the output end of the cylinder, but I think it would be improved if there was a bit of a standoff distance between it and the end. I'll just need to find a suitable SS washer or O-ring and stick that between the end of the cylinder and the screen - I think it would run more freely.

Bru4U could make stuff like this in his sleep with the workshop he's got......

As for the tubing, it's 1/2" silicone tube. It's great stuff, lovely and flexible and good to some stupid temperature like 400C or something. It's not cheap though - I had to buy a minimum of 30m to get a good price on it (sold 20m to forum members at cost as I had no need for that much)

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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by Hogarth » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:05 pm

Thanks ADM. Today I've been gathering the parts for my knock-off. But I guess the silicone tubing will have to wait if you have to buy 30 metres of it. :shock:

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Re: Semi-disastrous Brewday: Galaxian 2.0

Post by adm » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:03 pm

Hogarth wrote:Thanks ADM. Today I've been gathering the parts for my knock-off. But I guess the silicone tubing will have to wait if you have to buy 30 metres of it. :shock:

No problem Sir!

I also stuck some internal pictures of the hopback in today's brewday thread for you (Nelson's Gem).

You can buy the tubing by the metre for small amounts, but everywhere I looked was bastard expensive!

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