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Post by john luc » Wed May 07, 2014 10:51 am

Clibit wrote:John luc - any idea how I can get hold of the stout malt in England?
They have just recently put in a bagging line and are offering 25Kg bags of malt at €15 +vat. As regards the UK market I would have imagined they want to supply the Homebrew section. You could get them to ship it to you on a pallet if your into group buying,its what we do :)
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Post by Clibit » Wed May 07, 2014 11:11 am

I like the sound of the bagging line, and the price! Hopefully the Homebrew Company will start stocking it, they're based in Laios and deliver to UK.

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Post by Deebee » Wed May 07, 2014 11:17 am

john luc wrote:As regards to MCI Stout malt I can attest to its quality. Here in Ireland this company has had a change of attitude to Home brewing as they are a small malster who mostly produce distillers malt but also Lager,Ale and Stout malt in smaller quantity's. When we first tried to deal with them it was "do you have a 20 ton lorry then ye can drop by so" :roll: . But as they only sell the Ale malt to the US home brew market the penny dropped that home brewers have money to spend and now we are their best friends with detailed visits to look at how its done =D> . The Lager malt goes to Heineken in Cork for Heineken,Murphy's and Beamish production and the Stout malt for Guinness. Low protein is a Guinness demand that has the Farmers not too happy because it creates lower resistance to crop disease but better extract. (and profit for the Diageo masters :evil:). Because it is so good regarding being super enzyme charged it can convert raw barley with rumours of up to 40% used in the mash. Cheap as chips. :wink:
interesting I went onto the website that was linked in an earlier post and tried to mail them. After 4 days the mail bounced saying that the address was non existant?

Anyone have any ideas. Was going to try find a norwegian supplier.
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Post by john luc » Wed May 07, 2014 11:19 am

seymour wrote: what mash temperature and duration do you suppose would be ideal for that kind of efficiency?
The raw barley will need a cereal mash with some malted barley around 60C and then raise it after say 20 minutes which will produce a gooey lot of gunk that you then add to your main mash and single infuse at 66 C. In order to do it you would need to have yourself set up for it which is why it is better to just use flaked barley and skip the cereal mash. Diageo marketeers will try to tell you it for the unique flavour :roll: but its only done to save money as far as I believe. :^o
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Post by john luc » Wed May 07, 2014 11:25 am

http://www.nationalhomebrewclub.com/for ... pic=6251.0
Club tour going to visit them to see how its all done :D
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Post by johnrm » Wed May 07, 2014 12:03 pm

I organised a group buy of 1500Kg or so Malt for the NHC.

I have no vested interest, I just keep in touch with MCI in Cork, Ireland.
Here is their website...
http://www.maltingcompany.ie/

I spoke with reception just now, Claire, is going on holidays, so expect an autoresponder for a time.
In her absence, Chris, the sales manager will deal with any requests.
He is on chris@maltingcompany.ie

Post up here if you have any issues and I will help if I can.

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Post by Clibit » Wed May 07, 2014 1:12 pm

Thanks. For being so helpful. I am a lone brewer myself, need a supplier to start stocking it for the UK home brewing community. One of the Ireland based companies surely will. I will suggest it to the HBC, I order from them from time to time.

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Post by johnrm » Fri May 09, 2014 3:25 pm

No problem, glad to help.
If you have any issues, let me know, I'll be talking to MCI soon as I'm working with them organising a tour of their new bagging plant.

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Post by seymour » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:40 pm

A quick update:

Well, the primary ESB batch is all bottled and cellared. It finished at 1009, which calculate to 5.5% abv. It doesn't taste as dry as I'd expect with so low a final gravity, but it definitely emphasizes the hops, which is great. I'll try to post a picture and complete tasting notes once it's fully carbonated. 35 bottles, mostly big bombers. Here's a really dim and blurry pic.

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Post by Clibit » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:35 am

We forgot the swap. No worries. I might make your recipe...

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Post by seymour » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:44 am

Oh yeah! Got any of yours left?

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Post by Clibit » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:51 am

Yes I have. I'll taste one tomorrow, been leaving it alone after a few early ones, which were good.

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Post by seymour » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:35 am

Clibit wrote:Yes I have. I'll taste one tomorrow, been leaving it alone after a few early ones, which were good.
Me too, so just let me know...

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Post by Padalac » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:51 pm

I'd be interested to hear how the stout malt works out..

I gotta say it sounds like it might be overly modified for usage in an english style ale. Usually the best bet is going to be a maris otter or golden promise.. I'd imagine this would leave you with a comparatively less dextrinous beer, quite dried out and with little residual gravity.

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Post by seymour » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:20 pm

Padalac wrote:I'd be interested to hear how the stout malt works out..

I gotta say it sounds like it might be overly modified for usage in an english style ale. Usually the best bet is going to be a maris otter or golden promise.. I'd imagine this would leave you with a comparatively less dextrinous beer, quite dried out and with little residual gravity.
So, my experience with MCI Stout Malt is the exact opposite of most brewers. Like I said before, I've gotten poor mash efficiencies each time, but I know it's my fault because a buddy using grain from the same bag got a bewilderingly high efficiency, and a commercial brewer I know specifically uses a little to increase overall efficiency. I still have to test my theory but I think I've narrowed it down to my recently replaced mash tun thermometer. If it's not calibrated correctly, I could be mashing at too high a temperature, thus reducing the enzymatic conversion. I haven't achieved the mash efficiency I want yet, but the resulting worts were extremely fermentable, and the final ESB and two English Milds have tasted delicious, so no complaints from me.

I haven't brewed any pale styles with it yet, but I've heard from other brewers that it performs well, and retains some of those desirable nutty and biscuity traits. MCI Stout Malt is even lighter in colour than most, and cheaper than the best low-colour Maris Otter malts, etc, so it might be worth trying in an "Extra Pale Ale" concept. So far, my grainbills have contained too many crystal and roasted malts (and crazy fruity hops and yeast) to say exactly which traits are coming from the base malt. Good beers overall, but missed opportunities from a strict malt analysis point of view I guess.

Last night I did a bottle swap with a friend who used some MCI Stout malt in a light, summery English golden ale. I haven't tasted it yet, but I'll let you know what I think.

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