SEYMOUR OATMEAL MOLASSES INDIA PORTER

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Post by seymour » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:39 am

BUMP.

I finally, finally got around to bottling this bad boy tonight. Well, it's true what they say about Windsor yeast: it takes it's precious time, but it keeps workin' and workin'. I realize most authentic English ale would've been drunk through long ago, but this batch having bulk-aged in a secondary fermentor for nearly two months has reduced it from OG 1061 to FG 1012, which is an apparent attenuation of 80%!

And how does it taste? In short, delicious, even warm and uncarbonated. Lots of complex malt sweetness, far more than I'd expect with so low a final gravity, and VERY hoppy, an extreme but balanced bittersweet effect. Truly porter like, plus IPA hoppiness, nothing like modern "Black IPAs" which lack any of the black taste, if you know what I mean. It's estery, fruity, bready, toasty, resiny, citrusy, caramelly, with hints of dark chocolate and a bright coffee-like acidity. Of course, I've gotta point out the smooth, creamy, silky mouthfeel from the oats. The toasted buckwheat and burnt sugars from the molasses added nice layers, too. It's got an undeniable alcoholic warmth, but tame and well-concealed. I'm pleased.

I know there are guys here who hate Chinook hops, and I know they have their reasons, but I absolutely love 'em. I knew I loved 'em in pale and amber ales, now I know I love 'em in dark ales too. And to me, this brew proves they pair nicely with subtle English aroma additions. I expect to pickup more aromas once it's carbonated, but they're nice as is.

I can't wait until bottle-conditioning is complete. As you may recall, I split this wort into two fermentors. My Adnams yeast must've died, because it never took off. Eventually some other infection spoiled that batch, so I only ended up with 31 bottles (25 twelve ounce bottles and 6 bigger ones). I just know they're gonna go fast.


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The bottling regime
See my handy-dandy bottling bucket made from an olive container I found in the back of my neighborhood Greek restaurant? My local equivalent to your mango chutney barrels. I installed a ball valve, and connected a short length of tubing and a bottling wand. It has a cool little spring-loaded valve inside the tip, so you insert it into a bottle, press down to start the flow of beer, and simply lift it back out when the bottle is full. I'm really starting to hate bottling, so every little time-saving trick helps. You can also see the caps and capper tool soaking in sanitizer nearby.


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Finished! Eventually I'll print-out some basic labels, but I'm done for the night.

Cheers!
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Post by boniochompio » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:52 am

looks incredible, seymour!

you've got me thinking of adding a thermometer to my mash tun now...

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Post by seymour » Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:19 pm

boniochompio wrote:looks incredible, seymour!

you've got me thinking of adding a thermometer to my mash tun now...
Thanks, mate!
Yeah, a built-in thermometer is nice, and a fairly simple Do-It-Yourself project. It's handy to keep an eye on temps and any potential heat loss, without opening the lid to take a temperature reading, thus causing heat loss...

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Post by Monkeybrew » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:43 pm

Sad to hear about the loss of the Adnams batch, but at least you've got the Windsor batch safely bottled now.

I love the subliminal messages about using oats that crop up in your posts. Now that I'm out of Torrefied Wheat, I shall be raiding the kitchen cupboards for porridge oats!

I'm sure that this brew will be a cracker, like alot of your other recipe suggestions on JBK that seem highly rated.

I'm planning a Coopers (kit) Stout, that I am going to brew with Windsor yeast, so read with interest how it keeps gradually dropping the FG. How many points did it drop during the bulk conditioning?

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Post by seymour » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:29 am

Monkeybrew wrote: ...Now that I'm out of Torrefied Wheat, I shall be raiding the kitchen cupboards for porridge oats!...
You won't regret it. You'll never go back to boring ol' wheat. :)
Monkeybrew wrote:...I'm planning a Coopers (kit) Stout, that I am going to brew with Windsor yeast, so read with interest how it keeps gradually dropping the FG. How many points did it drop during the bulk conditioning?
It went from 1061 to 1021 in two weeks, then I transferred to the secondary fermentor, leaving most of the grain and yeast trub behind. So in the next 5-6 weeks it dropped from 1021 to 1012; pretty impressive if you can wait that long.

Best of luck!
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Post by Matt12398 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:18 am

Last night I had a bottle of Kernel East India Porter. I have to say it was possibly one of the best beers I have ever tasted. It had all the great flavours of a porter with a strong hop bitterness that gave it a tasty bitter coffee finish.

I had put a recipe into Beersmith a few months ago Seymour when you posted Ron's recipe he'd researched but after last night's drink I'm going to compare to yours, do a bit more research and put it to brew priority code red.

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Post by seymour » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:20 pm

Thanks for the encouragement, man. If you're wanting to brew a truly historical East India Porter recipe, I wouldn't recommend mine over Ron's/Barclay Perkins'/Whitbread's, etc. They certainly wouldn't contain oatmeal, molasses, or Chinook hops, for instance...but based on what I'm tasting, I certainly don't regret any of those Seymourizations... :)
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Post by Matt12398 » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:59 pm

The one I drank isn't very true to style either as it contains simcoe and chinook. I think I might give Ron's a go and perhaps try a hybrid after that.

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Post by seymour » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:24 am

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Oh man, good stuff. I've been drinking about one a day all week.

I better slow down and save some, I know it'll keep getting better and better for a long time. Mmmm.

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Post by Laripu » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:21 am

Seymour, your porter sounds great.

Oats really are fantastic for dark beers, where protein haze is irrelevant.

For blond ales, they're not optimal. I added some to my latest batch of Cats & Myces, and there's so much haze out looks like chicken soup. Still tastes great, but I find myself slightly put off by the look.

I've used Windsor yeast a lot. Do you find out gives a slightly woody taste? Not unpleasant, but I've noticed itin a few Windsor fermented batches.
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Post by seymour » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:49 pm

Laripu wrote:Seymour, your porter sounds great.
Oats really are fantastic for dark beers, where protein haze is irrelevant.
For blond ales, they're not optimal. I added some to my latest batch of Cats & Myces, and there's so much haze out looks like chicken soup. Still tastes great, but I find myself slightly put off by the look...
Thanks, Laripu.

I know what you mean, but for me clarity is overrated. I'll take a little extra flavour and aroma and texture over a crystal-clear beer any day. I also feel much of the fruitiness of hops is stripped away in clear beers. But I know it's an important aspect of appearance for many people, especially BJCP/AHA judges.
Laripu wrote:...I've used Windsor yeast a lot. Do you find out gives a slightly woody taste? Not unpleasant, but I've noticed itin a few Windsor fermented batches.
Yes, definitely some hardwood, cedar, peaty notes, which I think nicely emphasizes similar traits in many English hops. It's subtle, but I agree with you, it's there.

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Post by TheMumbler » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:48 pm

seymour wrote: (snip)...I know what you mean, but for me clarity is overrated. I'll take a little extra flavour and aroma and texture over a crystal-clear beer any day. I also feel much of the fruitiness of hops is stripped away in clear beers. But I know it's an important aspect of appearance for many people, especially BJCP/AHA judges.
I am very much in agreement with you here Seymour. In some ways, to me, cloudiness is a virtue, it is usually pretty obvious if it is down to some sort of infection or dirty lines. When on tap it often means that the beer is unfiltered and fresh, maybe some hop haze. When I was drinking in Berlin last summer a lot of the beers on tap at the microbreweries were pretty murky looking and more often than not they were the tastier beers IMO. Mileage, Vary etc. - nothing wrong with liking a clear beer of course. I suppose all other things being equal I would prefer good clarity but it is not high on my priority list.

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Post by seymour » Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:08 pm

TheMumbler wrote:
seymour wrote: (snip)...I know what you mean, but for me clarity is overrated. I'll take a little extra flavour and aroma and texture over a crystal-clear beer any day. I also feel much of the fruitiness of hops is stripped away in clear beers. But I know it's an important aspect of appearance for many people, especially BJCP/AHA judges.
I am very much in agreement with you here Seymour. In some ways, to me, cloudiness is a virtue, it is usually pretty obvious if it is down to some sort of infection or dirty lines. When on tap it often means that the beer is unfiltered and fresh, maybe some hop haze. When I was drinking in Berlin last summer a lot of the beers on tap at the microbreweries were pretty murky looking and more often than not they were the tastier beers IMO. Mileage, Vary etc. - nothing wrong with liking a clear beer of course. I suppose all other things being equal I would prefer good clarity but it is not high on my priority list.
Yep. Did you see our recent discussion about Alchemist Heady Topper, and it's proprietary yeast "Conan"? It is a perfect 100 on Ratebeer, and along with the insanely sought-after Russian River Pliney the Younger, is consistently rated one of the absolute best IPAs in the world. Why then, does it only come in a can, with the instructions "Drink From The Can!"? Because it's not just hazy, it's downright gunky, and the brewer doesn't want to apologize about appearance. Same goes for your Marble Dobber, in my experience, and is the same reason it's so delicious. Clarity is a bad thing when it comes to taste.

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Post by TheMumbler » Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:43 pm

Wow that is a lot of clumpy yeast!

Funny how we are happy to guzzle down yeast in a wheat beer but not in an ale. I suppose with a cask beer you would be getting to the bottom of the barrel so the beer might not be at its best by then.

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