22 gallon test brew

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Post by full malty » Wed May 17, 2006 2:16 pm

QUOTE (jean-yves @ May 16 2006, 09:10 PM)i've made a new boiler last week end and tryed a 100 ltr brew, which is now fermenting well.  B)
i ve done a stout beer  :P

...but making a bigger set up give me a lot of work, i've to do something different because every things is bigger, heavier........  :out  :stun

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What are you using to heat the wort ? Are you using immersion elements ? If so, what ones ?

Can we please see a photo of the inside of your boiler ?

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Post by jean-yves » Wed May 17, 2006 9:59 pm

yes, it's the blue container, insulated with 75mm of rockwhool that i had from my house the bottom is also insulated :D i've put 2x 3 kw heat element.

i've boil 180 liter of water ( put a lid on ) from 15° in about 4 hours the day before, it's a bit too long :( but on the morning the liquor was still at 65° :P
from the run of it take one hour to the boil, then i switch off one (for 120 ltr) and it keep boiling very well B)

put some pics of it tomorrow

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Post by jean-yves » Wed May 17, 2006 10:18 pm

here pics of the 120l FV (fill with 100l ) took after 3 days of fermentation
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http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/j ... oto003.jpg
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smell very good B)

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Post by jean-yves » Thu May 18, 2006 3:07 pm

and here a pic of the screw plug immersion heaters
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http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/j ... boiler.jpg

you can find it at: www.chromalox.co.uk model TV45

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Post by Reg » Thu May 18, 2006 8:13 pm

QUOTE (jean-yves @ May 18 2006, 02:07 PM) and here a pic of the screw plug immersion heaters

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/j ... boiler.jpg

you can find it at: www.chromalox.co.uk model TV45
Mmmm... You planning to install a 3-phase power supply soon... :D

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Post by bod » Thu May 18, 2006 8:28 pm

a big god damn starter i think! :lol:

does look wicked though! the 60 litre versions from smiths of the dean look like great fermenters.

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Post by Reg » Thu May 18, 2006 8:35 pm

QUOTE (bod @ May 18 2006, 07:28 PM) a big god damn starter i think! :lol:

does look wicked though! the 60 litre versions from smiths of the dean look like great fermenters.
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Post by eskimobob » Fri May 19, 2006 5:57 pm

I'm interested JY in how you distribute the finished beer? Have you set yourself up a nano bottling plant too? :huh:

Out of interest, what level of duty do you have to pay and do you only pay that on what you sell or what you make whether you sell it or not (I mean do you still have to pay duty if it is not all sold before it goes off - not that it is likely to last long enough to go off by what you say :lol: )?

Thanks for the pics and keep up the good work. :D

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Post by bod » Mon May 22, 2006 2:23 pm

well, since it used to be my job, i can explain how it works in the uk if you want, as it should the same in every EC country (with slight differences from country to country for their operating procedures), since we are all just one super state according to brussels.... :P although french beer duty is actually a lot less than ours. they pay roughly 4 pence tax per pint, we pay about 27p, if not more. each country is entitled to make up their own excise duty rates, but procedures should be roughly the same so we are all playing by the same set of rules. but then this is france we are taking about here...... ;)

normally a brewery will pay duty on the beer once its brewed based on the alcohol content, unless they hold it in an Excise warehouse and then its suspended till its removed for onward sale/bottling etc, but thats another story, and i assume JY just pays his duty upfront if he's liable.

beer duty in the UK is £13.26 per 1% of alcohol per hectolitre of beer, so if your beer is 5%ABV, then you multiply £13.26 by 5 to get £66.30 plus vat at 17.5%, per hectolitre of beer.

typically, if you brew something and it goes off, it is possible to reclaim the duty, but you do need to jump through a few hoops to get it. C&E are a nasty bunch of people to get money out of when it comes to excise duties.
however, small producers of beer are entitled to a discount on this duty of 50% as long as their output is less than 60,000 hectolitres per year, again, i think this limit is different in france though.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPort ... _CL_000232 the C&E beer duty information booklet if you fancy a boring read. its not for the faint hearted though.

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Post by eskimobob » Mon May 22, 2006 2:45 pm

Thanks Bod. Interesting stuff. There is certainly a lot of stuff on the C&E website :o

I am guessing that the brewer is responsible for self declaring how much alcohol is in each brew and therefore figuring out how much duty to pay but I am also guessing there must be some sort of safeguard to prevent the brewer underestimating the amount of alcohol....brew police :P

Do you know how the amount of alcohol is calculated? - is it measured using some aparatus or inferred from the drop in gravity? <_<

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Post by bod » Mon May 22, 2006 2:58 pm

normally its done on gravity readings, but a full scale analysis is required anyway for food and drink(shelf life testing etc), so its taken from that aswell and compared to make sure, although C&E have a habit of preforming random testings by sending samples of to the lab to keep everyone on their toes.

in some cases, price per keg/cask relates to abv aswell, so its not in a brewers interest to make a beer for public consumption and lie about the abv. but yes, its the brewers responsibility to calcute the tax due at the end of a period and account for it to C&E, but they are good at checking production records if they feel something is up, and business wants an audit to be done!

sorry, its not C&E anymore, its R&C.... tsk tsk. :lol:

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Post by bod » Mon May 22, 2006 3:03 pm

:lol: yeah, they charge VAT on excise duty on beer, spirits, fuel etc, and they also charge VAT on top of import duty...

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Post by Andy » Mon May 22, 2006 3:13 pm

tax, tax and then tax again! :angry:

I spoke to JY about all this on Saturday, he gets the buyers of his beer to pay the tax ! :D

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Post by steve_flack » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:16 am

QUOTE (jean-yves @ May 18 2006, 02:07 PM)and here a pic of the screw plug immersion heaters

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h88/j ... boiler.jpg

you can find it at: www.chromalox.co.uk model TV45
Hi JY,

Can you say exactly what model it was? There seem to be a lot of TV45's on the website with different lengths, power ratings, watt densities etc. Also did you need any additional parts (securing nuts, gaskets etc) and roughly what was the cost? They don't seem too keen on publishing their prices without registering.

Cheers

Steve

PS. I guess you haven't managed to melt the boiler yet????

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