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Post by seymour » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:20 pm

Peatbogbrewer wrote:
McMullan wrote:I like the look of that too. Late Challenger is is one of my secret weapons for English ales. I think it gets overlooked for late additions. Very nice.
Thinking of using challenger late in a summer pale, very similar to summer lightning but using target to bitter and challenger for aroma, would this work you reckon?
Yes, definitely. Challenger is awesome at every stage: bittering, flavour, aroma, dry hops. Think of it a bit like this: Challenger is to English craft brewing as Cascade is the USA craft brewing. They're fairly similar, both very citrusy, but Cascade is grapefruity, Challenger is like orange marmalade.

Target is fine for bittering, it's a part of many good beer recipes, but bear in mind a small percentage of people perceive it as very harsh. If you have enough Challenger, use it early and late.

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Re: Brewing this...

Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:31 pm

Having got a nosefull of challenger today. It did remind me of cascade. Not really used it much before other than a bit on a recent stout. But will be using the rest of what I have left. Maybe in a single hopped ale.

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Post by seymour » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:43 pm

For your consideration. This is one of my favourite local "session IPA" sorta brews. They recently watered it down to 5.0% ABV and only 20 IBU, and it's not as good anymore.

Schlafly Yakima Wheat
OG: 1055
ABV: 5.5%
Grainbill: 62% Pale, 30% White Wheat Malt, 8% Dingemans Cara 8L Malt (which sounds a lot like Munich, doesn't it?)
Hops: Challenger for early, late, and dry hops
IBU: 40
Colour: 4.5°SRM/9°EBC, hazy golden
Yeast: American Ale, unfiltered
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Re: Brewing this...

Post by Clibit » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:53 pm

Hey Seymour I like the look of that! With 40 IBUs obviously. What they thinking, dropping it to 20?!

What would be a good yeast to use?
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Re: Brewing this...

Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:54 pm

So just 2 hop times and then dry hop?

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Post by Clibit » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:05 pm

Late can mean several late additions.

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Re: Brewing this...

Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:20 pm

I see. Thinking it might be a nice summer ale.

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Re: Brewing this...

Post by Peatbogbrewer » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:47 pm

seymour wrote:
Peatbogbrewer wrote:
McMullan wrote:I like the look of that too. Late Challenger is is one of my secret weapons for English ales. I think it gets overlooked for late additions. Very nice.
Thinking of using challenger late in a summer pale, very similar to summer lightning but using target to bitter and challenger for aroma, would this work you reckon?
Yes, definitely. Challenger is awesome at every stage: bittering, flavour, aroma, dry hops. Think of it a bit like this: Challenger is to English craft brewing as Cascade is the USA craft brewing. They're fairly similar, both very citrusy, but Cascade is grapefruity, Challenger is like orange marmalade.

Target is fine for bittering, it's a part of many good beer recipes, but bear in mind a small percentage of people perceive it as very harsh. If you have enough Challenger, use it early and late.
Excellent, Challenger summer pale being built, what would you suggest for the hop schedule, make the Challenger really sing?

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Re: Brewing this...

Post by seymour » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:39 pm

Good questions, I'll try to answer them all.
Clibit wrote:Hey Seymour I like the look of that! With 40 IBUs obviously. What they thinking, dropping it to 20?!
Schlafly was recently sold by the original founders to a private equity group, and as so often happens, cost-cutting measures were immediately noticeable. In 2012, the original Schlafly Yakima Wheat was a small-batch only offered locally, but in 2014 it was selected as one of the contract-brewed "Can Sessions" for wide distribution, at which time they reduced the alcoholic and bitterness strength. I figure it was a simple business decision: less malt and hops = less expensive to produce = higher profit. Plus, 40 IBU is significantly bitter in a pale light-bodied beer like this, especially for something not clearly labelled as an IPA. All us local beer nerds loved the over-the-top English-style hoppiness, of course. But I can imagine mass market research indicating that something called "Wheat" should be mellow and bland like Blue Moon, Shock Top, etc. Schlafly was much cooler when it was independently owned, smaller, and bolder.
Clibit wrote:What would be a good yeast to use?
Schlafly uses the Anchor Liberty strain, available as Wyeast 1272 and White Labs WLP051.


With regards to hop schedule:

Schlafly adds hops at the beginning of a 1 hour boil, then at flame-out in the whirlpool, then a dry hop process added to fermented beer (described in detail in Stan Hieronymous' book For the Love of Hops, if you're really interested.)
Bunglebrewsbeer wrote:I see. Thinking it might be a nice summer ale.
It definitely is. I prefer the higher gravity and IBU of course, but the watered-down cans are still quite good. Challenger hops are just that delicious.

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Post by Clibit » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:54 pm

Thanks again Seymour. I'm going to do this, and may also try it with different hops. I have some Riwaka to play with thanks to Steve383.

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Post by seymour » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:45 pm

I bet that will be delicious too. Riwaka is actually one of the few New Zealand hops I have not yet tasted. Let me know how it turns out!

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Post by Clibit » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:22 pm

I will. Riwaka is a unique hop. I've never brewed with it but Marble has used it, and some other beers I've had too.

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Post by seymour » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:45 pm

As you've probably gathered, I'm a super-freak for Rakau.

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Post by Clibit » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:45 am

Yeah, I need to get Rakau again. Riwaka is 68% myrcene. Same as Amarillo, more than any other hop.

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Re: Brewing this...

Post by Bunglebrewsbeer » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:52 am

What beers use rakau was in the marble last week. Some very nice ales!!

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