Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Thought I'd try a Belgian-type Witbier, inspired by adm and BrewerBen, as well as the Hoegaarden clone in Protz & Wheeler's BCEBAH.
No pictures because most of the technology was the same as last time.
2.26kg Wheat malt
2.26kg pale malt
500g torrified wheat
300g porridge oats
Using HERMS system -
Mash schedule:
½ hour @ 50 ̊C
1 hour @ 67 ÌŠC
Started with 20L mash liquor
heated to about 78 ÌŠC for sugar solubility before sparging with 78 ÌŠC water down to 2ÌŠ Brix. About 30 litres used to sparge.
NB mash liquor had 1tsp and sparge liquor had 2tsp metabisulphite added to kill chloramine and try to reduce possible oxidation.
1st runnings were 18.6ÌŠ Brix = 1077
Collected into small boiler to get heated-up faster. Collected about 33l of wort less what had boiled-off while collecting - say 3l so total would have been 36l.
Pumped up to big boiler, using pipe into boiler to avoid dreaded hot-side aeration problem from splashing hot wort.
Stirred wort in big boiler about 1044 at start of boil.
The boil mostly smelled of porridge
Boiled 11/4 hours, with 20g Fuggles and 28g 2008 home-grown Hallertau hops.
Boiled further 10 minutes while heating the convoluted immersion chiller to sanitise and starting recirculation with a tube down to the chiller to avoid aeration (also to sanitise the pump and pipework).
Boiled further 5 minutes with 20g of dried Curacao orange peel and 15 of coriander seed, both ground in the coffee grinding attachment (Protz & Wheeler suggested a pestle and mortar, but while that cracked the coriander OK it had no effect on the dried orange peel).
Chilled with recirculation- about 22'30" to go from 92 ÌŠC to 23 ÌŠC. I think this is roughly half the time my old plain chiller took for a similar volume of wort, so some of this must be down to the recirculation (bringing fresh hot wort onto the chiller) and the rest down to the convolutions chilling more efficiently.
OG 1058 @ 22.3 ÌŠC = 1059.2 @ 15.5 ÌŠC (collected about 25l)
I thought I'd split the wort between two bins again - I might get away with 25l in one bin, but what about two different yeasts? The Hefeweizen made with WB-06 was being quite clove-y when I tested it on Friday, and I'm not sure that's what I want in my Belgian Wit. I had a sachet of S-33 in the fridge (Fermentis's PDF says "produces superb flavour profiles and is used for the production of a varied range of top fermented special beers (Belgian type wheat beers, Trappist, etc.)") so I thought I'd try half of each.
Rehydrated 1 sachet of Safbrew S-33 yeast in 250ml boiled, cooled water with 2 tsp of gran. Frothed up beautifully and got left on the radiator shelf for about two hours.
Rehydrated 1 sachet of Safbrew WB-06 Dry Wheat Beer yeast in 250ml boiled, cooled water with 2 tsp of gran. Frothed up beautifully and got left on the radiator shelf for about an hour.
Ran off into two fermenting bins pitched WB-06 in one bin and S-33 in the other, and placed in front room.
15/3/2009
Aerated the WB-06 bin for a couple of hours, and the S-33 bin for about 5 1/2 hours by accident, using the 9l/h peristaltic pump, HEPA filter and stainless stone on the end of a former syphon cane with the end cut off. The second bin got 5 1/2 hours at 9l/hr because we went out, and I had to leave it going. Quite a strong smell of sulphur when I came back, but I'm not panicking because I've noticed this before. The first bin (WB-06) has a good yeast crust seven hours after its aeration. See what it's like in a week...
No pictures because most of the technology was the same as last time.
2.26kg Wheat malt
2.26kg pale malt
500g torrified wheat
300g porridge oats
Using HERMS system -
Mash schedule:
½ hour @ 50 ̊C
1 hour @ 67 ÌŠC
Started with 20L mash liquor
heated to about 78 ÌŠC for sugar solubility before sparging with 78 ÌŠC water down to 2ÌŠ Brix. About 30 litres used to sparge.
NB mash liquor had 1tsp and sparge liquor had 2tsp metabisulphite added to kill chloramine and try to reduce possible oxidation.
1st runnings were 18.6ÌŠ Brix = 1077
Collected into small boiler to get heated-up faster. Collected about 33l of wort less what had boiled-off while collecting - say 3l so total would have been 36l.
Pumped up to big boiler, using pipe into boiler to avoid dreaded hot-side aeration problem from splashing hot wort.
Stirred wort in big boiler about 1044 at start of boil.
The boil mostly smelled of porridge
Boiled 11/4 hours, with 20g Fuggles and 28g 2008 home-grown Hallertau hops.
Boiled further 10 minutes while heating the convoluted immersion chiller to sanitise and starting recirculation with a tube down to the chiller to avoid aeration (also to sanitise the pump and pipework).
Boiled further 5 minutes with 20g of dried Curacao orange peel and 15 of coriander seed, both ground in the coffee grinding attachment (Protz & Wheeler suggested a pestle and mortar, but while that cracked the coriander OK it had no effect on the dried orange peel).
Chilled with recirculation- about 22'30" to go from 92 ÌŠC to 23 ÌŠC. I think this is roughly half the time my old plain chiller took for a similar volume of wort, so some of this must be down to the recirculation (bringing fresh hot wort onto the chiller) and the rest down to the convolutions chilling more efficiently.
OG 1058 @ 22.3 ÌŠC = 1059.2 @ 15.5 ÌŠC (collected about 25l)
I thought I'd split the wort between two bins again - I might get away with 25l in one bin, but what about two different yeasts? The Hefeweizen made with WB-06 was being quite clove-y when I tested it on Friday, and I'm not sure that's what I want in my Belgian Wit. I had a sachet of S-33 in the fridge (Fermentis's PDF says "produces superb flavour profiles and is used for the production of a varied range of top fermented special beers (Belgian type wheat beers, Trappist, etc.)") so I thought I'd try half of each.
Rehydrated 1 sachet of Safbrew S-33 yeast in 250ml boiled, cooled water with 2 tsp of gran. Frothed up beautifully and got left on the radiator shelf for about two hours.
Rehydrated 1 sachet of Safbrew WB-06 Dry Wheat Beer yeast in 250ml boiled, cooled water with 2 tsp of gran. Frothed up beautifully and got left on the radiator shelf for about an hour.
Ran off into two fermenting bins pitched WB-06 in one bin and S-33 in the other, and placed in front room.
15/3/2009
Aerated the WB-06 bin for a couple of hours, and the S-33 bin for about 5 1/2 hours by accident, using the 9l/h peristaltic pump, HEPA filter and stainless stone on the end of a former syphon cane with the end cut off. The second bin got 5 1/2 hours at 9l/hr because we went out, and I had to leave it going. Quite a strong smell of sulphur when I came back, but I'm not panicking because I've noticed this before. The first bin (WB-06) has a good yeast crust seven hours after its aeration. See what it's like in a week...
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Cant wait to find out. The recipe is similar to something I had planned for the near future. Good luck with them E
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Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
I love Wheaty beers. Done a recipie very similar to yours. Admittedly early on in my HB years. Came out really tasty. But no where near the colour or taste of a Hoegaarden. (and I didnt use orange peel!)
I put it down tomy use of MO malt and Malted Wheat. A lot of people say for a true Hoegaarden clone its best to use unmalted crushed wheat and pilsner malt. Especially for that white colouring.
Not trying to be negative to your recipie, but want to try and get the debate started, as there isnt much written on wheat beers (in comparison to more traditional british beers).
Did you consider these ingredients. And if so, why did you choose not to use them?
I put it down tomy use of MO malt and Malted Wheat. A lot of people say for a true Hoegaarden clone its best to use unmalted crushed wheat and pilsner malt. Especially for that white colouring.
Not trying to be negative to your recipie, but want to try and get the debate started, as there isnt much written on wheat beers (in comparison to more traditional british beers).
Did you consider these ingredients. And if so, why did you choose not to use them?
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
I did a hoegarden clone early on and it was not too my tastesimple one wrote:I love Wheaty beers. Done a recipie very similar to yours. Admittedly early on in my HB years. Came out really tasty. But no where near the colour or taste of a Hoegaarden. (and I didnt use orange peel!)
I put it down tomy use of MO malt and Malted Wheat. A lot of people say for a true Hoegaarden clone its best to use unmalted crushed wheat and pilsner malt. Especially for that white colouring.
Not trying to be negative to your recipie, but want to try and get the debate started, as there isnt much written on wheat beers (in comparison to more traditional british beers).
Did you consider these ingredients. And if so, why did you choose not to use them?
Now i just do german style wheat beers with malted wheat and MO, more because of cost and I always have a bag of malted wheat and MO now.
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Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Fair one. I am coming from the other way around. Stumbled on the bavarian style trying to do the Belgian style. Did you find it difficult to replecate the Belgan style, or you managed it and you just didnt like it?
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
I didn't have any unmalted wheat, so I was following adm and BrewerBen who seemed to have made it work with wheat malt. The stuff fermenting in the bins looks more yellowy-lagery than might be true to the Wit style. I don't mind too much if it tastes OK.
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Just had a look.
Still a slight smell of sulphur.
WB-06 bin PG 1015 @ 19 ÌŠC = 1015.6 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 5.5% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.13.
A bit phenolic in taste, hint of clove. (This is why I'd wanted to try the S-33 as well!)
S-33 bin PG 1014 @ 19 ÌŠC = 1014.6 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 5.6% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.13.
Orangey, dry, a bit like Hoegaarden.
Bodes well - I'll have another look on Friday 20th.
Still a slight smell of sulphur.
WB-06 bin PG 1015 @ 19 ÌŠC = 1015.6 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 5.5% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.13.
A bit phenolic in taste, hint of clove. (This is why I'd wanted to try the S-33 as well!)
S-33 bin PG 1014 @ 19 ÌŠC = 1014.6 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 5.6% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.13.
Orangey, dry, a bit like Hoegaarden.
Bodes well - I'll have another look on Friday 20th.
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
I found it easy to make but it did have a funny sulphur smell I used the WL 400 yeast.simple one wrote:Fair one. I am coming from the other way around. Stumbled on the bavarian style trying to do the Belgian style. Did you find it difficult to replecate the Belgan style, or you managed it and you just didnt like it?
Hoegraden is a drink I do like so i had another go later on, I think both receipes were from the camra brew beers of europe.
Used the yeast again from WL 400 and it just gave me the same funny sulphur smell so not tried it again.
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Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Sorry to Hijack the post with Hoegaarden recipies, but this one apparently is exellent... (although I never got to taste it)
Weight (lbs) Weight (kgs) Grain
5.5 lbs 2.5 kgs Pilsner Malt
2.75 lbs 1.25 kgs Wheat Malt
2.75 lbs 1.25 kgs Wheat Flaked
Hops and Adjuncts
Weight (oz) Weight (g) Ingredient Time
0.95 oz 27 g Perle 5.7%, whole 90 min
0.21 oz 6 g Anise Seed crushed 3 min
0.74 oz 21 g Indian Coriander ground 3 min
0.28 oz 8 g Valencia Orange peel finish
0.10 oz 3 g Grapefruit peel finish
Yeast
Wyeast 3944: Belgian Witbier
Is this the same yeast as WL 400 awalker?? Surely the sulphur comes from the yeast being too warm, would a cooler ferment stop this? I also hear its better to underpitch and stress the yeast in a wheat beer.
Weight (lbs) Weight (kgs) Grain
5.5 lbs 2.5 kgs Pilsner Malt
2.75 lbs 1.25 kgs Wheat Malt
2.75 lbs 1.25 kgs Wheat Flaked
Hops and Adjuncts
Weight (oz) Weight (g) Ingredient Time
0.95 oz 27 g Perle 5.7%, whole 90 min
0.21 oz 6 g Anise Seed crushed 3 min
0.74 oz 21 g Indian Coriander ground 3 min
0.28 oz 8 g Valencia Orange peel finish
0.10 oz 3 g Grapefruit peel finish
Yeast
Wyeast 3944: Belgian Witbier
Is this the same yeast as WL 400 awalker?? Surely the sulphur comes from the yeast being too warm, would a cooler ferment stop this? I also hear its better to underpitch and stress the yeast in a wheat beer.
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
mr malty says they are equivelentssimple one wrote:
Yeast
Wyeast 3944: Belgian Witbier
Is this the same yeast as WL 400 awalker?? Surely the sulphur comes from the yeast being too warm, would a cooler ferment stop this? I also hear its better to underpitch and stress the yeast in a wheat beer.
http://www.mrmalty.com/yeast.htm
Might be right </hijack>
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Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Looking forward to tasting this one, one Monday night in the future
With my 50lt batch size i'm still to nervous to try something as adventurous.
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Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
I'm working towards being able to do 50l in the future (new boiler and mash tun from stainless casks) but I'm arranging things so I can do smaller batches in the same kit. The boiler is getting a built-in twin IC in two sections, so you can chill the bottom half or or the lot.
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
Bottled this today.
Interesting differences between the two halves, apparently down to the yeast.
The one with the WB-06 has finished much lower than the one with S-33.
WB-06 bin PG 1006 @ 16.6 ÌŠC = 1006.1 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 6.8% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.131.
Racked into a separate bottling bin, added 92g of gran (20 bottles x 4.6g [level 5ml teaspoon]) boiled-up in 250ml of water, and stirred-in 6g of S-04. Filled 20 x 500ml bottles with little bottler & syphon.
S-33 bin PG 1014 @ 18 ÌŠC = 1014.4 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 5.7% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.13. Must have read it wrong when I made it 1016 yesterday, after 1014.6 on the 17th
Racked into a separate bottling bin, added 101g of gran (22 bottles x 4.6g [level 5ml teaspoon]) boiled-up in 250ml of water, and stirred-in 6g of S-04. Filled 22 x 500ml bottles with little bottler & syphon.
Four crates of beer priming themselves in the front room. Now, what shall I brew tomorrow? I've got the day off...
Interesting differences between the two halves, apparently down to the yeast.
The one with the WB-06 has finished much lower than the one with S-33.
WB-06 bin PG 1006 @ 16.6 ÌŠC = 1006.1 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 6.8% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.131.
Racked into a separate bottling bin, added 92g of gran (20 bottles x 4.6g [level 5ml teaspoon]) boiled-up in 250ml of water, and stirred-in 6g of S-04. Filled 20 x 500ml bottles with little bottler & syphon.
S-33 bin PG 1014 @ 18 ÌŠC = 1014.4 @ 15.5 ÌŠC so 5.7% ABV using HMRC fudge factor of 0.13. Must have read it wrong when I made it 1016 yesterday, after 1014.6 on the 17th
Racked into a separate bottling bin, added 101g of gran (22 bottles x 4.6g [level 5ml teaspoon]) boiled-up in 250ml of water, and stirred-in 6g of S-04. Filled 22 x 500ml bottles with little bottler & syphon.
Four crates of beer priming themselves in the front room. Now, what shall I brew tomorrow? I've got the day off...
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
How important is that two stage mash to the overall finish?
I have a coolbox mash tun setup and I think it would be pretty tricky to do a stepped mash.
Both of these beers tasted really good and I'm pleased to see you got such good results with dried yeasts. I had though I was going to have to bit the bullet and splash out for a liquid yeast to do a wheat beer.
Dave
I have a coolbox mash tun setup and I think it would be pretty tricky to do a stepped mash.
Both of these beers tasted really good and I'm pleased to see you got such good results with dried yeasts. I had though I was going to have to bit the bullet and splash out for a liquid yeast to do a wheat beer.
Dave
Re: Sudbury Hillgaarden 14/3/2009
I would guess that you could top up the match with an amount of hot water to bring the temperature up.
No idea if there is a calculator availble to work out the amount you would need.
No idea if there is a calculator availble to work out the amount you would need.