Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

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Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by befuggled » Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:54 pm

Inspired by Jubby, Pantsmachine and others, I have been wanting to make a reasonably serious IPA for a while. In earlier posts I was led down the dark path of batch sparging :twisted: . Putting it all together sounds like Parti-gyle - so it's time for an experiment! (It's nIPAr as in nipper, or child of Serious IPA :roll: )

I want the IPA about OG=1.085 and the nIPAr about 1.042, so I stick 14kg of PM into Beer Engine for 50L and end up with 1.063 - should be close enough for a first go. (The nIPAr should be about 1.042 before adding some wheat malt.)
I am going to mash with 35L of liquor and want 33L for the first wort, so top up the first batch sparge with 33 - (35 - 14) = 12L. Then add 17.5L for the second sparge and 17.5L for the third sparge to get the nIPAr wort.
If I end up with the Serious IPA wort too high, I can always swap a bit round. If it is too low, well tough, it should still make two decent beers! :lol:
The Serious IPA will have 500gms of WGV for full boil and the nIPAr will have 200gms of Wheat Malt Extract for body (and making the OG=1.045) and Cascade hops similar to Ollosson's Townes IPA but the sums don't tie up with Beer Engine, so it will be 73gms for 90mins and 20gms for 15mins (AA=4.6) - which is also exactly the 93gms of MH hops I have open :wink: .

With a permanent setup, a two brew day is not too arduous, in fact I had three consecutive two brew days last week in an attempt to re-build stocks. The bottle neck is of course getting the copper empty for the first sparge of the second brew. In this case I will be collecting the first wort in the copper and then the second wort, in two batches at least, in spare FVs. This will lead to a major delay getting the second wort up to boiling as it will have cooled significantly. So it will be an early start, with the HLT coming on at about 02:30am and me getting the mash on as soon as I can crawl out of the pit :cry: .

Out of bed before the Blackbird has coughed or the sparrow farted, 05:45. The mash is on and stable, RIMSing at 06:15.
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I am planning on a 90 minute mash for the first wort, followed by another 90 minute for the second. At 07:45 I add 12L from the HLT, stir and re-circulate for 10 minutes to clear the wort and then start to drain.
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First runnings:
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Refractometer shows 17.6 brix, hydrometer shows 1.070 at 33C so I am going to be low.
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I stop the drain and start the RIMS again. I am aiming for a pre-boil gravity of 1.077.

By 09:00, the wort in the mash tun is 1.076@33C, which should be 1.080 at 20C. There is already 10L at 1.074, so draining now should be closer to what I am trying to achieve.

By 09:25 I have 32.5L in the copper at Bx=18.7. I don't trust the refractometer on its own, unless making comparative readings, but I have now cross checked at 17.6 and 19.3, so I am going to take this as exactly SG=1.077.
The boiler heater went on at 09:10, when it looked like things were going reasonably well.

Having used a Beauclaire Outdoor Cooking burner for 31 brews, I am trying a dual plate Induction Hob, nominally 3.1kW total (1.8 and 1.3kW), but measures at 2.9kW. (PF 0.98 if anyone is interested!)
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About £105 + vat on ebay

So far (six prior brews) I find it will not produce a good rolling boil without having the lid partially on - i.e. a gap of 50-125mm. Otherwise the results seem reasonable and it is slightly less likely to kill me...
I went for the two plate unit rather than a single 3.5kW jobby for several reasons, one being that this is no lip and the boiler can stand on the plates without any gap. In fact it sits on two side supports and the hob is spring loaded (terrible temporary bodge...) to force it up in contact with the boiler bottom. I have a feeling it would complain if it had up to 60L of wort on it directly!

:evil: The big problem at the moment is that the yeast - Wyeast Scottish - is doing .... nothing :evil: . It was a month out of date when it arrived and I had the choice of sending it back or going with it :evil: . Sending it back would have meant using something else anyway :evil: . The bag did swell somewhat before I dumped it in a 1L starter on the stir plate but over the last 16 hours it has done nothing more :evil: :evil: .

Back to the brew. Once I had drained the mash tun, I added 17.5L from the HLT as planned. That will have at least 1 hour more RIMSing.

Judging by the difference between wort OG after 90 minutes and 140 minutes, I am going to be doing a lot more longer mashes. I had however planned on 180 mins total as per Durden Park.

I usually put the first hops in when I turn the heater on, but this time I am going to give myself a hop sauna and chuck the full 500gms in when it begins to boil. With the fan off and the door shut. The Brewairy is about 1.2 x 2.4 x 2.7m....
500gms of WGV:
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10:00 and it must have been boiling for a few minutes,
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I was sad to leave hop heaven.

The second wort is 10.4 Brix at present, probably about 1.042, but this is only the next 17.5L and I need to double that. As it has now had 4 hours, I think I will miss my 1.042 target.
Another advantage of RIMS is being able to take as many SG samples as you like, although I have never bothered to do it before.

A while later...
11:05 Second wort in mash tun now 11.4 brix, about 1.046, drain into FV.
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There's a lot going on here - first wort boiling, second wort draining into FV, seven FVs fermenting or just finished:
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11:28 Drained. Add last sparge/mash water, 17.5L and start RIMS once again.
In the last 5 minutes of the boil, I did something I have never tried before. Using a large sieve, I scooped out a large part of the hops, squeezing between a second sieve each time.
Squeezed spent hops:
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11.45 Start cooling from 95C, a bit hot for the pump but for a short time.
Recirc cooling:
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Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun - valves to cooling re-cirulation:
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11.57 12 minutes after starting the cooling, the wort is down to 25C. It's very easy this time of year with the incoming mains water at about 4C!. Thanks to adm's post, I now have a 50 plate chiller from Germany ready for when it starts to get warmer. I will probably use the old one for cooling beer in the summer, along with the Maxi 210 I picked up two weeks ago thanks to Mauri's sharp ebay eyes!
I am leaving the last mash/sparge running until the boiler is ready - after all, some people mash all night I believe....
A really grotty pic! - Nearly there on temperature but showing the hob trial testbed with its very temporary bodged springs!
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The boiler is showing 24.5L and now has foam due to the intentional aeration during cooling:
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As for the starter and not having the time to do anything fancy now that the Wyeast had failed on me, I chucked 36gms of US-05 into 1L of starter and stuck it on a stir plate a couple of hours ago. I also have another starter of US-05 which is/was ready for the nIPAr, so I will use some of each. I had already checked that US-05 will work at this OG. To add insult to injury, I have a very fat bag of Wyeast London ESB ready for Sunday, it was smacked several hours after the Scottish :evil: :evil:

So the cooled wort has now had 30 minutes to settle, let's see what we end up with....
Wort into FV:
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19.5L at 22.7 Brix, hydrometer reads 1.095, ties up exactly with MoreBeer .xls.

Even with the early removal of hops, I still lost another 5L in wet hops and boiler dead space.
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By 13:00 the boiler is again empty, so I start the final mash tun drain. Boiler heating on at 13:15. and earlier FV collected second wort is added. I am going to add 200gms of Wheat Malt Extract and the first 73 gms of Cascade.
I now have 35.5L at 1.038, which should give 32L at 1.042, adding 200gms of Dried Malt Extract should get this back to my target of 1.045, and I should end up with 29-28L in theFV. If I boiled it for longer and ended up with 25L in the FV and 3L losses, it would have been about 1.048, but either way, not far out.

Back to the Serious IPA. My target was 1.085, so I need to add about 2.5L of starter/boiled water.
This time I am going to use oxygen and the stainless steel airstone I got from H&G. I have not bothered with this much lately because all the fermentations go off like a rocket and I spend half the time mopping up overflowed yeast....

The nIPAr is boiling by 14:15 and with the mash tun emptied and washed out, I need a rest.

To cut a long story short, by 17:30 I have 28L in the second FV at 12.0 brix, checked by hydrometer at 1.048 - a bit more and a bit higher than expected but nice!! :lol: :lol:
Last edited by befuggled on Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:15 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by adm » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:06 pm

That's an awesome and inspiring brewday there, fella!

As for "replenishing stocks"....with 7 FVs on the go, that's a lot of stock! I'd like to come round your house for a drink one of these days :D

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Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by pantsmachine » Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:29 am

7 Fv's active! Jingsabandy as nobody else says apart from me and SWMBO that's impressive! Excellent photos and really nice kit. Excellent clear looking wort and a great brewday. Unlucky on the 1st yeast pack. Where did you buy it from so we can avoid companies who send out after sell by date?

P.S liked the floyd reference. =D>

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Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by jubby » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:08 am

500g WGV :!: :!: Nice =D> ....................................... Let the waiting begin.
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Thermopot HLT Conversion

Drinking: Mr Nick's East India IPA v3 First Gold & Citra quaffing ale
Conditioning:
FV:
Planned: Some other stuff.
Ageing:

befuggled

Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by befuggled » Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:54 am

Well its nine now!:
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The one at the back is the Serious IPA.
They have both hit the undersides of the FV lids during the night, I can see another mess later today!! :lol:

I also have to confess to there being one more out of shot, but that and probably 2 or 3 others will be racked into 4" top fermenters and moved to the cold garage for maturing, where, dare I say it, there are another 4 waiting - the sig. lists them all :oops:

Adm, you would be welcome!
We did manage to have 16 different beers available over xmas and for the New Year party, but with the exception of 6 mini kegs, dregs in 3 corneys and quite a few bottles of fall over juice, it has evaporated :cry:

Pants - they are normally pretty good and this was probably an aboration, I am sure I could have sent it back.
It was The Home Brew Shop which I have used for a lot of kit and ingredients before. They actually work out cheaper than most for PM and LM as carriage is free over £65. But I know someone else who may be able to beat this.... :shock:
I thought you might notice the Floyd, but it probably goes over the heads of younger members :lol:
I will definitely send you a bottle of this one, but there won't be many as there is 22L in the FV and 19 are going into a corney!

Jubby - THAT is going to be the worst part! But I think I will be able to have enough other stuff on the go to reduce temptation! :^o

I was in such a hurry to get this post up yesterday that I completely forgot my manners and failed the thank borischarlton for the hops :oops: :oops:

THANKS ROB!!!!!!

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Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by WishboneBrewery » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:04 am

500g of WGV is going to be interesting, they are quite a strong goldings flavour :)

Cracking brewday and shots etc :)

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Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by pantsmachine » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:14 am

I swear i could smell the wort in the last FV picture! My old fridge freezer in the shen has given up the ghost. The upside of this is that i had a clean out and lurking at the back were the last 4 bottles of Damn the expenses IPA. If you and Jubby PM me your addresses i'll get a bottle of it and a bottle of Hop bomb IPA in the post to you both. Damn the expense is ready now but Hop Bomb needs another 1/2 year at least.

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Post by befuggled » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:13 pm

Pants - PM'd

As I suspected:
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FVs left in Brewairy after 5 FVs racked and into cold garage:
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:-k Thinks, need a new garage... :-k
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It is tidy sometimes!!

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Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by floydmeddler » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:21 pm

pantsmachine wrote:7 Fv's active! Jingsabandy as nobody else says apart from me and SWMBO that's impressive! Excellent photos and really nice kit. Excellent clear looking wort and a great brewday. Unlucky on the 1st yeast pack. Where did you buy it from so we can avoid companies who send out after sell by date?

P.S liked the floyd reference. =D>
Me too!!

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Re: Parti-gyle - Serious IPA + nIPAr

Post by jubby » Sat Mar 13, 2010 3:56 pm

P.S liked the floyd reference. =D>
I'm an old git, so i picked that up also. (His Autobiography is a great book if you haven't read it)

Jubby - THAT is going to be the worst part! But I think I will be able to have enough other stuff on the go to reduce temptation! :^o
:lol: Be sure not to fit a tap to that keg!!! I fitted one for tasting purposes and had to remove it. There was a bit too much tasting going on. [-X

Pants, pm'd
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Thermopot HLT Conversion

Drinking: Mr Nick's East India IPA v3 First Gold & Citra quaffing ale
Conditioning:
FV:
Planned: Some other stuff.
Ageing:

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