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JOHN'S BLUE RIBBON STOUT

Post by seymour » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:27 pm

My brother-in-law John Radin is a brewer and was instrumental in getting me started. His Big Brown Beers (as I call them, because that's what they are, my elusive Holy Grail) consistently blow my mind.

Once upon a time, in a magical distant land called England...John brewed a strong, sweet oatmeal stout which won a blue ribbon at the 1996 New Forest & Hampshire County Show. Some judges were surprised to discover the brewer was American. Sadly, I never tasted that one because I was stranded on the other side of the pond. So this is my attempt to recreate it following his recipe and technique as closely as I could.

Mistakes I knew I was making:
I couldn't find Munich Dark, but substituted Cara 10 which is similar. My unmalted oats were processed a little differently. I couldn't find Northern Brewer hops (I know…weird, right?) so I created a blend with similar profile and IBU level. He used a direct-heated mash tun but I used a picnic cooler mash tun. Perhaps my biggest tweak was yeast, but with good reason. I used the Ringwood dual-strain, because John lived down the lane from the brewery and has always remembered their brews fondly.

As you'll see, he got a higher mash efficiency and original gravity than I did. I texted John about that and my high-attenuating yeast; he replied predicting mine "will taste less sweet too and that will make a better stout." Nice guy, huh?
JOHN'S BLUE RIBBON STOUT

4.5 US gallons = 3.75 Imperial gallon = 17 Liters

GRAINBILL:
59.6% = 7 lbs = 3175 g, UK Pale Malt
8.5% = 1 lb = 454 g, Pilsener Malt
8.5% = 1 lb = 454 g, US Cara 10L Malt (John used Munich Dark)
2.1% = .25 lb = 113 g, UK Chocolate Malt
6.4% = .75 lb = 340 g, UK Roasted Barley
8.5% = 1 lb = 454 g, Steel-Cut Oats (John used Flaked)
6.4% = .75 lb = 340 g, Molasses, added directly to boil kettle
TOTAL: 11.75 lbs = 5.33 kg

MULTI-STEP MASH:
I STRUCK grainbed with ≈2.75 gal/2.29 Imp gal/10.4 L of 155°F/68.3°C water to reach 138°F/58.9°C for 30 min.
I added ≈1 US gal/.83 Imp gal/3.79 L of boiling water to reach 151°F/66°C for 90 min.
I didn't have any headspace left, so I repeatedly drained a bunch, brought it to a boil, and cycled it back in until I reached 170°F/76.7°C, rested for 5 min. In my opinion, this is the most frustrating part of mashing in a picnic cooler. If anyone has come up with a better method, I'm all ears.

I VORLAUFED then SPARGED to collect 6 US gal/5 Imp gal/22.7 L pre-boil.

I BOILED 60 min with single hop addition at beginning.

HOPS (John used Target and Northern Brewer):
.75 oz/21.3 g, UK Flyer, whole cone, first wort addition
1 oz/28.3 g, UK Keyworth Midseason, whole cone, first wort addition

YEAST:
Ringwood Brewery English ale dual-strain (John used Wyeast 1007, the Zum Uerige Dusseldorf alt strain)

STATS (John consistently gets >85% mash efficiency, I simply cannot):
OG: 1070 (John got 1074)
FG: 1013 (John got 1018)
ABV: 7.5%
IBU: 36
COLOUR: opaque, very dark reddish brown with light brown foam

Check-out that dark mash:
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Yeast starter, molasses and pre-measured hops ready to go:
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"Slow as molasses":
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Sparging:
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Coming to a boil:
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Some idiot (me) didn't put away the garden hose last time, so it was frozen solid. I had to go buy a new cheapo one for the chiller:
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Transferring from the boil kettle to the chiller:
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Ready to ferment:
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Pitching the yeast:
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Blue Ribbon Stout Mulch (from the spent grains):
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Re: JOHN'S BLUE RIBBON STOUT

Post by alexlark » Sun Mar 08, 2015 9:54 am

Cracking brew day! I love your boiler.

I'm planning on using Northern Brewer and Target for my stout. Grain bill will follow a Guinness.

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Post by timbo41 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:14 pm

Seymour mate quick question why do you transfer to a different bucket to chill?
Just like trying new ideas!

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Post by seymour » Sun Mar 08, 2015 2:53 pm

alexlark wrote:Cracking brew day! I love your boiler...
Thanks, I made it myself from a cast-off (legally acquired, mind you) Anheuser Busch keg and a bunch of plumbing bits. The propane tank and stand are a turkey fryer. The whole shebang was very cheap.
alexlark wrote:...I'm planning on using Northern Brewer and Target for my stout. Grain bill will follow a Guinness.
That sounds delicious, can't wait to hear how it turns out. I've seen so many different theories of the Guinness grainbill, what's yours?
timbo41 wrote:Seymour mate quick question why do you transfer to a different bucket to chill?
It wasn't something I ever exactly planned, but it's a technique I've discovered works well for me. I originally designed my wort chiller for that smaller aluminum pot, so it works much more efficiently there. Here's what I do: after flame-out, I let it steep awhile in the big boil kettle (usually 20-30 min, but it doesn't really matter), which increases the hoppy aromas and allows time for the hot break to fall out of suspension. Then I transfer through that big metal strainer into the smaller pot, leaving most of the hops and hot break behind, which means less trub in the fermentor, leading to a noticeably clearer final beer even without finings. Since the wort chiller fits better and the second pot isn't hot to begin with, the wort chills very quickly.

I didn't do so this time, but sometimes instead of the second pot, the same technique works straight into a fermentor bucket, where I can aerate using a drill-powered paint stirrer like Ditch before pitching the yeast. This time I used carboy fermentors, and the paint stirrer doesn't fit through the opening, so I just shook the hell outta it for several minutes to aerate.

Hey Timbo41, thanks again for these Keyworth hops!

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Post by timbo41 » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:05 pm

Always welcome Brother S! I like the steep, run off ,chill in fermentor idea. However when I do ag now I tend to no chill...time constraints more than anything else...really can't say its been detrimental to the beers as long as you're careful to not get too much break into the cube, and as I use a 25 l hdpe jerry can when I put into fv it gets plenty of aeration glugging out. Incidentally if there's any hops you fancy and are struggling to get just give me a shout, ill do my best to help out


Just first wort hopping? That's unusual, take it you prefer a malty aroma on this particular bevvy? I know stouts are malt forward...interested in how the keyworths meld into this, archer just work any brew! One of the better uk varieties of recent years, currently sitting on 200 g phoenix and some boadicea I have no idea what to do with...been using a lot of new world hops lately, pride of ringwood early and ella and the pacificas late or steeped....so expect a bird!!
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Post by alexlark » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:18 pm

Those turkey fryers seem really popular over that side of the pond. I've only just got a 33L pot (upgrade from 19L) and haven't used it yet. I'm a fan of the shiny 8)

This is what I have for a 23L brew:

45 IBU
OG 1.049
FG 1.012
23 L
ABV 4.81%

3.5kg Pale Malt
1Kg Flaked Barley
500g Roast Barley

17g Northern Brewer
17g Target

Depending on how it turn out I want to try substituting up to half of the roast barley with chocolate.


I'm currently drinking a Hobgoblin clone which is a cracking pint! If you like chocolate and crystal malt you should try it.

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Post by seymour » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:30 pm

Your Guinness recipe looks good. 70% Pale, 20% Flaked Barley, 10% Roasted Barley, huh?

I've had store-bought bottled Hobgoblin and enjoyed it, but haven't ever brewed a clone. That sounds like a good idea too.

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Post by seymour » Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:41 am

Bump.

Believe it or not, the airlock was still burping every couple of minutes. Those of you who have used this Ringwood dual-strain beast know what I'm talking about. But I decided I've waited long enough, so this afternoon I took a final gravity reading. Drum roll, please...1013. Woah. That makes it 7.5% abv, basically the same as John's, even though he had a higher starting gravity and a higher final gravity. By the way, all this baloney about Ringwood yeast always getting stuck at 1030 or throwing tons of diacetyl, I promise you those brewers aren't using the real dual-strain, nor allowing it time to clean itself up. The kind of results I get are well worth the wait.

Like I said, I never tasted John's original batch, but he said it definitely had some residual sweetness. In fact, the category he placed in at the fair was Sweet Stouts. Mine is not sweet, the malt sugars almost all fermented away, so I'm left with a more hops-forward balance. I suppose mine would fit better in BJCP 13D. Foreign Extra Stout. That's okay with me. I tasted the hydrometer sample and there's a great harmony of bitter-sweetness, roasted grains, creamy oats, and spicy/woodsy/stone-fruity Ringwood yeast. More chocolatey than I expected. It definitely strikes me as more English-styled than any of the Americanized stouts I've brewed before. Delicious. I'm so pleased.

I added some priming sugar, bottled a six-pack for John, a six-pack for me, and sealed the rest in a Corny keg for a homebrew contest on Sunday. Wish me (or rather, John & I) luck!

Cheers!
-Seymour

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Post by charliemartin » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:22 pm

Hi Seymour,
Good luck for the contest. That would be pretty awesome getting your brew served at the GABF if you win. :mrgreen:

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Post by seymour » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:58 pm

Thanks, mate. I agree, but I'm up against some extremely good brewers. I'll let you know how it goes!

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Post by seymour » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:25 am

Well, I did not win, but it was a fun day. There was a really great turn out, crowd-wise and beer-wise. Lots of pretty good brews, a few very good ones.

Obviously, I'm biased, but I think mine was the best traditional beer-flavoured-beer. I'm happy with the way it turned out, and I wouldn't change anything about it. I just didn't bring the brew with the most crowd-pleasing twist, apparently. What I mean is: the people's choice winner was a carrot and ginger witbier, the brewers' choice winner was a chocolate milk stout. Both were tasty but kinda gimmicky. Not that there's anything wrong with that, and maybe I'm just making excuses... :) There's really nothing complain about, it's always cool to share my beer at an event like this.

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Post by Clibit » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:11 am

I think we should start a petition. You wuz robbed!!!

Yeast on it's way after a bit of a delay sorry.

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Post by charliemartin » Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:06 pm

Carrot and Ginger! Sounds like some weird kind of smoothie. Give me a foreign extra stout any day! When do Baskin Robbins open their first beer store?

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Post by seymour » Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:07 am

Thanks, guys, it's nice to have friends. Too bad I didn't have you there for the people's choice voting. :)

Cheers!
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Post by seymour » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:29 pm

Just drank my last bottle of this fine brew last night. Sad to see it go.

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