cooling wort with ice

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gorymorph

cooling wort with ice

Post by gorymorph » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:21 pm

what would happen to the hot wort if you dropped a frozen 4Ltr bottle of water into it (shop bought, without the plastic) would it hurt the wort or would it just cool it quicker

tubby_shaw

Post by tubby_shaw » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:59 pm

Shop bought water is not necessarily sterile and as freezing does not kill spoilage organisms you would be running the risk of contaminating the wort :(
Keep the frozen water in the plastic bottle and use a no rinse sanitiser such as betadine solution on the outside and then you will be able to use the cooling power of the ice without the risk of contamination :D

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Post by oxford brewer » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:02 pm

Not sure if adding ice to the wort will do it any good :? ,What do you boil the wort in?If its a stockpot with no attatchments(tap or element)it can be cooled in a sink of cold water.I used to freeze water in 2l plastic milk containers and then cut the plastic away and drop the ice into the sink to speed up cooling(I managed to get 6 containers frozen before hand).
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Post by PieOPah » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:40 am

I tried freezing water in bottles to try and cool the wort however I found this almost pointless.

When the water melts it created insulation for the ice meaning that I constantly had to move the bottle to cool the melted ice enough to effect the wort. The effort involved outweighed the benefit (in my opinion).

gorymorph

Post by gorymorph » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:09 pm

many thanks that puts the mockers on that idea back to the drawing board

snowshiva

Post by snowshiva » Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:04 pm

If you place the hot wort into the sink, filled the sink with ice and then covered the ice with lots of salt this would cause the ice rapidly turn to liquid water but still retain the low temp of the ice (solid state of water).

This is caused by the addition of the salt upsetting the equilibrium of melting ice and freezing water, and as liquid water has faster moving particles it will be more efficient at transferring the heat away from the wort and into itself. And this lowers the temp of the wort more rapidly.
In fact the water will have a temp of around about -2 degrees for a short period.

It’s also a cool way of instantly cooling warm beer at a party when everyone is grabbing beers from a none chilled box!

It wont get you laid but it may impress none science people.

The other way is to use a copper coil and run cold water through it, the heat exchange should provide enough cooling to the wort to drop its temp quite quickly.

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