Pilsner Water Quality
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So 1g:4g sulphate to chloride addition give 1321ppm of calcium (60ppm per litre for 22 litres) and the other additions chloride and sulphate, are they negligible?
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No, no, no. You want to add 1ppm of sulphate to every 4ppm of chloride , not of the compounds.
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Ulsterman wrote:So 1g:4g sulphate to chloride addition give 1321ppm of calcium (60ppm per litre for 22 litres) and the other additions chloride and sulphate, are they negligible?
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Glad I didn't go to B&Q to buy a shovel. So how do I go about adding the required amounts, in even easier layman's terms please? 

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I have bought the Ashbeck water and put the mineral values into the Liquor Treatment Calculator by Graham Wheeler.
Calcium 10
Magnesium 2.5
Sodium 9
Sulphate 10
Chloride 12
Carbonate auto-calculated at 12.29 based on Bicarbonate 25
I have set the Sulphate: Chloride Ration to 1:4
I have calculated using the Lager option for Target Liquor and get Salt Additions recommended at:
Calcium Sulphate 64.7 mg/l
Calcium Chloride 91.48 mg/l
Assuming I have done this correctly where does the 1:4 ratio fall in? if I remove it from the calculator and set it to 0:0 is still get the 64.7 and 91.48 values.
Aleman I would appreciate any guidance you can give me on this thanks.
Calcium 10
Magnesium 2.5
Sodium 9
Sulphate 10
Chloride 12
Carbonate auto-calculated at 12.29 based on Bicarbonate 25
I have set the Sulphate: Chloride Ration to 1:4
I have calculated using the Lager option for Target Liquor and get Salt Additions recommended at:
Calcium Sulphate 64.7 mg/l
Calcium Chloride 91.48 mg/l
Assuming I have done this correctly where does the 1:4 ratio fall in? if I remove it from the calculator and set it to 0:0 is still get the 64.7 and 91.48 values.
Aleman I would appreciate any guidance you can give me on this thanks.
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If you are using 1:4 I think you need to set the target profile to custom
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Thanks Goulders.
I have set to Custom, ratio 1:4 and the warning asks for the Mg/Na balance, final result still gives me:
Calcium Sulphate 64.7 mg/l
Calcium Chloride 91.48 mg/l
I have set to Custom, ratio 1:4 and the warning asks for the Mg/Na balance, final result still gives me:
Calcium Sulphate 64.7 mg/l
Calcium Chloride 91.48 mg/l
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Have you put a volume in?
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Yes 32 litres so final additions for volume are:
Calcium Sulphate 2.07 grams
Calcium Chloride 2.93 grams
Calcium Sulphate 2.07 grams
Calcium Chloride 2.93 grams
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Yeah, I've put the figures for Ashbeck into my spreadsheet and I get completely different values.
Calcium 60 Volume 22L
Of course that level of precision is not really critical 
Calcium 60 Volume 22L
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Sulphate to chloride 1:4 Gives calcium sulphate 0.50g Calcium chloride 3.60g
Sulphate to chloride 1:3 Gives calcium sulphate 0.75g Calcium chloride 3.44g
Sulphate to chloride 1:2 Gives calcium sulphate 1.15g Calcium chloride 3.05g
Sulphate to chloride 1:1 Gives calcium sulphate 2.00g Calcium chloride 2.30g
Sulphate to chloride 2:1 Gives calcium sulphate 3.00g Calcium chloride 1.45g
Sulphate to chloride 3:1 Gives calcium sulphate 3.55g Calcium chloride 0.96g
Sulphate to chloride 5:1 Gives calcium sulphate 3.93g Calcium chloride 0.68g

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Copy of results attached. I input the data from the top down using everything I could see on the label. Did I miss anything or is it as you say not that critical?
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Ok I took what you did and used Automatic as the water type rather than lager and got this (which agrees with my workings for a 1:4 sulphate to chloride ratio 

Graham's Lager profile goes for a 1:1 sulphate to chloride ratio


Graham's Lager profile goes for a 1:1 sulphate to chloride ratio

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Thanks Aleman.
when I do it again I get the following value automatically in the line to note 5
50 2.5 9 15 19.4 77.6
whereas you get
60 2.5 9 12.3 23.8 95.2
is this just an anomaly with computer internet software? or something else?
This then impacts on the values generated for the next three lines and the final ratio on a 22 litre volume of .37grams Sulphate and 2.91 grams Chloride.
I guess the bottom line is they are both close to each other in terms of grams addition to Ashbeck water for a lager brew, would you agree?
when I do it again I get the following value automatically in the line to note 5
50 2.5 9 15 19.4 77.6
whereas you get
60 2.5 9 12.3 23.8 95.2
is this just an anomaly with computer internet software? or something else?
This then impacts on the values generated for the next three lines and the final ratio on a 22 litre volume of .37grams Sulphate and 2.91 grams Chloride.
I guess the bottom line is they are both close to each other in terms of grams addition to Ashbeck water for a lager brew, would you agree?
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Either would work and work reasonably well. What I'm noticing is that I want a little more dryness in my pilsner so I am actually thinking of going down to 1:2 for the next batch.
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