I'm hoping to attempt my first BIAB in the next week or so and having had a pint of Dark Star American Pale Ale last night would really like to give this a go.
The description from Dark Star is as follows:
" The yeast strain used for the brewing of this American style pale ale is specially imported from the USA, along with Cascade, Centennial and Chinook hops. The low colour Maris Otter malt provides a perfect light colour and dryness to complement the crisp taste and full aroma of the hops. SERIOUSLY FULL OF HOPS" ABV 4.7%
Does anyone have a recipe or any ideas on quantities etc?
Dark Star American Pale Ale
Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
One of my earliest AGs was a pale ale with MO, Cascade, Centennial and US05. At the time I was drinking it I went to the pub and had a pint of Dark Star APA and exclaimed, hey, that's exactly the same as my home brew! It was very similar at least.
Batch Size (L): 10.0
Original Gravity (OG): 1.044
Final Gravity (FG): 1.008
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.73 %
Colour (SRM): 5.5 (EBC): 10.8
Bitterness (IBU): 32.8
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 60
2.000 kg Maris Otter Malt (100%)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (13.5% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.7 g/L)
So it wasn't heavily hopped, and the hop timings may be worth altering, but it's in the right area. I didn't sue Chinook, perhaps it is used for bittering?
Batch Size (L): 10.0
Original Gravity (OG): 1.044
Final Gravity (FG): 1.008
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.73 %
Colour (SRM): 5.5 (EBC): 10.8
Bitterness (IBU): 32.8
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 60
2.000 kg Maris Otter Malt (100%)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (13.5% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.7 g/L)
So it wasn't heavily hopped, and the hop timings may be worth altering, but it's in the right area. I didn't sue Chinook, perhaps it is used for bittering?
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Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
Can't tell you the recipe, but I'm a fan of the beer.
I'd head for about 45IBU, made up equal amounts of each hop, all added in the last 20 minutes (even weight between 20, 10, 5) and finish with 3 grams per litre of dry hops.
Stick to 100% low colour Maris Otter, or possibly a mix of regular MO and pilsner malt to get the colour down - personally I'd go all Muntons Pilsner Malt.
If you want to do this with a light, cask like carbonation then I'd mash in the middle of the range at 66 and then carbonate to 1.8 volumes.
If you like your pale ales fizzier (I do) then mash at 64 and carbonate to 2.8 volumes.
Yeast will be Chico/US-05, but don't be afraid of using an English ale yeast - yeast subtlety is largely going to be overridden by hops here - and start fermentation at the low end of the range for the yeast for 24-48 hours before gradually raising it.
I'd head for about 45IBU, made up equal amounts of each hop, all added in the last 20 minutes (even weight between 20, 10, 5) and finish with 3 grams per litre of dry hops.
Stick to 100% low colour Maris Otter, or possibly a mix of regular MO and pilsner malt to get the colour down - personally I'd go all Muntons Pilsner Malt.
If you want to do this with a light, cask like carbonation then I'd mash in the middle of the range at 66 and then carbonate to 1.8 volumes.
If you like your pale ales fizzier (I do) then mash at 64 and carbonate to 2.8 volumes.
Yeast will be Chico/US-05, but don't be afraid of using an English ale yeast - yeast subtlety is largely going to be overridden by hops here - and start fermentation at the low end of the range for the yeast for 24-48 hours before gradually raising it.
Ingredients: Water, Barley, Hops, Yeast, Seaweed, Blood, Sweat, The swim bladder of a sturgeon, My enemies tears, Scenes of mild peril, An otter's handbag and Riboflavin.
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tommywalls
Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
Absolutely brilliant-just what I needed! Thanks to you both for your prompt replies. It was a 10L batch I was going to do so Clibits recipe is ideal. With that and Jockys additional advice, what can go wrong (plenty in my experience!)
Hope to order ingredients next week, will let you know how I get on.
Hope to order ingredients next week, will let you know how I get on.
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tommywalls
Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
Just had a play with BrewMate and came up with this-what do you think?
DS American Pale Ale
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048 (°P): 11.9
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 5.5 (EBC): 10.8
Bitterness (IBU): 44.2 (Average)
100% Maris Otter Malt
1 g/L Chinook (11.4% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
0.7 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
0.7 g/L Chinook (11.4% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
Single step Infusion at 66°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes
Fermented at 20°C with
Recipe Generated with BrewMate
DS American Pale Ale
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048 (°P): 11.9
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 5.5 (EBC): 10.8
Bitterness (IBU): 44.2 (Average)
100% Maris Otter Malt
1 g/L Chinook (11.4% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
0.7 g/L Centennial (9.7% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
0.7 g/L Chinook (11.4% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
Single step Infusion at 66°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes
Fermented at 20°C with
Recipe Generated with BrewMate
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Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
If you're going to do a 60 minute addition for bittering then I'd move the 20 minute hops to 5 minutes and load up on them.
For an APA, unless using low alpha hops late in the boil I will try to get more than 50% of IBU from late hops - by late I mean split across 15, 10 and 5 minute additions.
For an APA, unless using low alpha hops late in the boil I will try to get more than 50% of IBU from late hops - by late I mean split across 15, 10 and 5 minute additions.
Ingredients: Water, Barley, Hops, Yeast, Seaweed, Blood, Sweat, The swim bladder of a sturgeon, My enemies tears, Scenes of mild peril, An otter's handbag and Riboflavin.
Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
I think US05 would get you lower than 1012, I got 1008 with US05 so maybe reduce the OG a bit if you use US05? The DS website says:
"The yeast strain used for the brewing of this American style pale ale is specially imported from the USA, along with Cascade, Centennial and Chinook hops. The low colour Maris Otter malt provides a perfect light colour and dryness to complement the crisp taste and full aroma of the hops. SERIOUSLY FULL OF HOPS."
I would be tempted to do as Jocky suggests and shift the hops additions mostly inside the last 20 minutes, I was a novice brewer back then. Maybe a small 60 min addition and then additions at 20 10 5 and dry. Maybe (for 38 IBUs):
5.0 g Chinook Leaf (12.5% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
10.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (1 g/L)
10.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (1 g/L)
My Cascades were high alpha at 9.2%, you may need to increase the Chinook hops to hold the IBUs if yours are lower..
"The yeast strain used for the brewing of this American style pale ale is specially imported from the USA, along with Cascade, Centennial and Chinook hops. The low colour Maris Otter malt provides a perfect light colour and dryness to complement the crisp taste and full aroma of the hops. SERIOUSLY FULL OF HOPS."
I would be tempted to do as Jocky suggests and shift the hops additions mostly inside the last 20 minutes, I was a novice brewer back then. Maybe a small 60 min addition and then additions at 20 10 5 and dry. Maybe (for 38 IBUs):
5.0 g Chinook Leaf (12.5% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
7.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.7 g/L)
10.0 g Cascade Leaf (9.2% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (1 g/L)
10.0 g Centennial Leaf (11.5% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (1 g/L)
My Cascades were high alpha at 9.2%, you may need to increase the Chinook hops to hold the IBUs if yours are lower..
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tommywalls
Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
Ok having re read your posts I have a new recipe below. I didn't realise you could make all late hop additions , all recipes I have seen preciously have a 60 minute bittering addition. I presume leaving them late retains as much aroma/flavour from the hops as possibe?
DS American Pale 2
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048 (°P): 11.9
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 5.5 (EBC): 10.8
Bitterness (IBU): 37.8 (Average)
100% Maris Otter Malt
0.5 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
3 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
3 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
3 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
Single step Infusion at 66°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes
Fermented at 20°C with Safale S-04
Recipe Generated with BrewMate
DS American Pale 2
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048 (°P): 11.9
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 5.5 (EBC): 10.8
Bitterness (IBU): 37.8 (Average)
100% Maris Otter Malt
0.5 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 20 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
0.5 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil)
3 g/L Cascade (7% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
3 g/L Centennial (10.9% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
3 g/L Chinook (12.9% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop)
Single step Infusion at 66°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes
Fermented at 20°C with Safale S-04
Recipe Generated with BrewMate
Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
That looks good. It may be more intensely hopped than Dark Star APA, especially with that level of dry hopping, I don't remember it being really intense hop wise. It was quite a drinkable session-like beer.
I would prefer to use US05 to S04 myself, unless you go for intense hops it will make a noticeable difference IMO.
I would prefer to use US05 to S04 myself, unless you go for intense hops it will make a noticeable difference IMO.
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tommywalls
Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
The yeast was a mistake will use US05. I agree the hop flavour/ aroma wasn't as intense as some , think I might drop the dry hop to 1.5g/l
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Re: Dark Star American Pale Ale
Looks good.
Ingredients: Water, Barley, Hops, Yeast, Seaweed, Blood, Sweat, The swim bladder of a sturgeon, My enemies tears, Scenes of mild peril, An otter's handbag and Riboflavin.