First brew - flat!

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demmeister

First brew - flat!

Post by demmeister » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:34 pm

I opened my first bottle of Cooper's European Lager this evening.
It fermented in the bucket for two weeks and then I bottled it with a carbonation drop per bottle and left it for another week.
The beer tastes great but there's no fizz at all. There was a slight "gas escaping" noise when I took the cap off but otherwise there's no indication that the beer has carbonated at all.
Can anyone suggest what my best next step is? Should I try adding more sugar and or yeast to the bottles in hopes that they carbonate more? I'm completely lost at this point!
Many thanks for any suggestions :-)

barney

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by barney » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:36 pm

Leave it another month! will be perfectly carbonated!

demmeister

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by demmeister » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:57 pm

Ok will do cheers.
Is lack of fizz a normal thing then or do you think I did something wrong?
I've got a batch of cider coming out in a week or so and I'd like to get it right if I can :-)

BlindXX

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by BlindXX » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:54 pm

I just had a similar experience with Coopers Canadian Blonde. 1 week in bottle - hiss but flat beer, thin tasting. 2 weeks in bottle - decent carbonation. Kept its head to the end but still not tasting as good as I had hoped. Flavour much improved though. 3 weeks this Sat, so hoping it is just about ready!

lancsSteve

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by lancsSteve » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:41 pm

Keep them warm and leave them a while - carbonation will come in due course as will improved flavours

demmeister

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by demmeister » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:54 pm

Good news! I opened another beer tonight and there's plenty of bubbles and a little head :-)
Is there any danger of bottles exploding at any point now that the CO2 has started to build up?
If not I'm happy to leave them carbonating away until they no doubt get drunk at Christmas!

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Re: First brew - flat!

Post by milo » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:37 pm

Nah
They should be fine. 2 weeks in fv. should be finished fermenting, get those babies somewhere cool.
ideally a garden shed under lock and key! :lol:
10 days cold conditioning not ideal but should be drinkable, obviously 4-6 weeks would be better.

demmeister

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by demmeister » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:33 am

Wouldn't I be better keeping them somewhere warm for now so that they carbonate a bit more? They aren't quite as fizzy as a store bought beer quite yet

Manx Guy

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by Manx Guy » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:57 am

Hi!
2 weeks in the warm (18-20C) should be enough for the yeast to ferment the priming sugars, creating CO2. Known as secondary fermentation
Then over time (it happens quicker in the cooler ambient tempratures) the CO2 disolves in the beer -giving the beer fizz & condition.

It is possible for beers to condition slowly as the yeast breaks down the more complex sugars in the beer (not the priming) but this happens very slowly and should NOT cause the bottles to explode - with the caveat that the beer was fermented out and exessive priming wasnt used and a sensible temprature was maintained.

Exessive heat can cause the pressure in the bottles to rise, not neccassarily due to increased secondary fermentation by the yeast.

I like many others on this site follow a simple method to ensure that the priming sugar in the bottles ferments:

10-14 days in the warm (ideally at primary fermentation temp. 18-20C)
14-28 days somewhere cooler Ideally 12C but anywhere in the range of 10-15 is fine)
Then pop a couple in the fridge for sampling when you're ready!

Of course most us can't resist a liitle 'Quality control' allong the way, but best leave this after the initial 2-3 weeks to avoid dissapointment and undue worry stress.
:lol:

If you ensure your cider is fully fermented out before priming and bottling then you should be fine, following a routine like the one above...
A little patience will be rewarded!

What priming method do you use? Bottle priming or 'bulk' Priming (adding priming to a 'bottling bucket' transfering the brew from the FV & bottling from there) ?
Both have the same affect but someone could offer you advice on how much priming sugar to use if you tell us what method you use.

Hope that helps
Guy
8)

demmeister

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by demmeister » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:06 am

Hi, thanks for your reply!
I used bottle priming and I used one carbonation drop per bottle. The instructions only gave guidelines for smaller and larger bottles than the ones I had (I used 500ml bottles) so I just used one to be safe :-)

Manx Guy

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by Manx Guy » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:46 am

Hi!

Ok thats useful to know...

The coopers carbonation drops have 3.36g of sugar in each one so this will give you a priming rate of 6.72g/litre so this should give you a level of carbonation somewhere between that suitable for a lager (higher 8g/l) and an ale (usually lower 4g/l) as recommended by coopers themselves on their website.

I usually use a similar level of carbonation (6g/l for bottle priming when I use my Grolsch swing tops..

So once these have had a little more time to condition I'm sure you will be happy with the level of carbonation...

:)
Guy

demmeister

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by demmeister » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:01 pm

Ah ok, so in an ideal situation I should be adding 4g of sugar into each bottle.
I'm still learning about all the processes involved - I thought the carbonation was done while the bottles were kept warm and after they get put somewhere cool, the carbonation is finished. By the sounds of what you're saying, carbonation will continue even when I put them somewhere cool.
The brew has now had two weeks (and a few days) in the FV for primary fermentation and two weeks in the bottle conditioning so I would imagine it's good to put it somewhere cool now :D

batey1963

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by batey1963 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:10 pm

Hello Demmeister. If you can get a second fermenting bucket all the better. Then you can syphon off into this and bulk prime before bottling. A little bottler will be of great service to you. Some people will shoot me, but I put 150 grammes of sugar in every 40 pint kit. Does'nt matter what kit. I have had no trouble with carbonation. 7 Days in the house and then at least 6 weeks in the garage. Really worth the wait. Patience is all. Good luck and cheers,
Martin.

ZegaBrew

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by ZegaBrew » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:40 pm

Hi,

Quick bit of threadjackery but as I was going to ask basically the same question there isn't a massive amount of point in starting a new thread.

I'm having essentially the same first brew paranioa as above except that I made an extract brew rather than a kit.

I batch primed using 1 teaspoon of brewers sugar per litre, from above this seems a "normal" amount. Is this correct? The beer is a session/ordinary bitter.

I bottled a week ago and have just done a bit of quality control... The beer is clear and tastes good but is flat, this should just be a case of waiting it out?

Cheers,

Zegs.

demmeister

Re: First brew - flat!

Post by demmeister » Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:53 pm

Mine has certainly become fizzier the longer I've left it. I'd just second the above - store it somewhere cool for some more weeks :-)

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