St Peters Golden Ale

[Stomach]

I put this in the FV 10 days ago and its down to 1011 from 1040 Its been at 1011 over the last two nights! I will take another reading tomorrow and then keg and bottle if its the same.

So few, another Muntons kit through the 1020 mark!

The taste from the trial jar was nice but very bitter. More bitter than I expected, but it has a nice golden look to it!

Hopefully its going to be a nice summery drink once primed up.

Thanks

[Zephiacus]

Just made a batch of this myself, tasted ok on bottling, understand what you mean about it being bitter, but i reckon that'll calm down with a few weeks in the bottles, should be a nice drinker i reckon!

I've heard all about the muntons 1.020, but didnt happen with me!

I'm taking a brief sabbatical from AG as my kit needs repairs, getting a kit again after 3 years or so reminded me how straightforward it is to make nice beer, currently debating whether to get another one and put off repairing my meligned gear....

[Geezah]

I'm taking a brief sabbatical from AG as my kit needs repairs, getting a kit again after 3 years or so reminded me how straightforward it is to make nice beer, currently debating whether to get another one and put off repairing my meligned gear....

When I weigh up the cost of AG + my time at £20 per hour (if I was at work) + the payback for all the kit its not a cost effective way of brewing IMO.
I understand that you get to make good ales to your own taste, but the same can be achieved from kit adaption or extract brewing.

[jmc]

I'm taking a brief sabbatical from AG as my kit needs repairs, getting a kit again after 3 years or so reminded me how straightforward it is to make nice beer, currently debating whether to get another one and put off repairing my meligned gear....

When I weigh up the cost of AG + my time at £20 per hour (if I was at work) + the payback for all the kit its not a cost effective way of brewing IMO.
I understand that you get to make good ales to your own taste, but the same can be achieved from kit adaption or extract brewing.

Its not cost effective if you charge your own time, but that's missing the point IMHO.

How many hobbies do you cost that way? If you liked cooking would you cost your time when working out if a ready-meal was cheaper than cooking something you really liked?

I really enjoy formulating an AG recipe and then brewing at the weekend. It depends what you want to do. Just make reasonable beer at low cost or spend some enjoyable 'me' time brewing something unique that's more to your taste than most pub beer.

[Monkeybrew]

I put this in the FV 10 days ago and its down to 1011 from 1040 Its been at 1011 over the last two nights! I will take another reading tomorrow and then keg and bottle if its the same.

So few, another Muntons kit through the 1020 mark!

The taste from the trial jar was nice but very bitter. More bitter than I expected, but it has a nice golden look to it!

Hopefully its going to be a nice summery drink once primed up.

Thanks

My Brother-in-Law has currently got this one conditioning, and he said its was quite bitter, but was getting nicer after a few weeks.

I think that the 1020 stick was a myth or a temporary blip, because I have never suffered it with any Muntons kit.

Is this kit a 36 pint/20L jobbie?

[Stomach]

I put this in the FV 10 days ago and its down to 1011 from 1040 Its been at 1011 over the last two nights! I will take another reading tomorrow and then keg and bottle if its the same.

So few, another Muntons kit through the 1020 mark!

The taste from the trial jar was nice but very bitter. More bitter than I expected, but it has a nice golden look to it!

Hopefully its going to be a nice summery drink once primed up.

Thanks

My Brother-in-Law has currently got this one conditioning, and he said its was quite bitter, but was getting nicer after a few weeks.

I think that the 1020 stick was a myth or a temporary blip, because I have never suffered it with any Muntons kit.

Is this kit a 36 pint/20L jobbie?

It could be a St Peters thing, as we both know, the IPA had a very harsh initial taste but now its a very tasty drop after several months in the bottle!

I hope this calms down a bit although its not unpleasant, just more bitter than I expected. And yes, its a 36pint kit. I think it would suit a hop addition pretty well if the bitterness stays there to balance out, perhaps by leaving the hop sachet out that comes with the kit.

I too have never had a Muntons 1020 stick either! And I have done 9 or 10 of the kits now.

[Stomach]

I'm taking a brief sabbatical from AG as my kit needs repairs, getting a kit again after 3 years or so reminded me how straightforward it is to make nice beer, currently debating whether to get another one and put off repairing my meligned gear....

When I weigh up the cost of AG + my time at £20 per hour (if I was at work) + the payback for all the kit its not a cost effective way of brewing IMO.
I understand that you get to make good ales to your own taste, but the same can be achieved from kit adaption or extract brewing.

For me time is the big constraint with AG. With a very young family (soon to expand) work and other comitments kits are perfect for me at the moment. I think though with merticulous planning, I should be able to dip my toes into BIAB for the odd brew!

[Monkeybrew]

I put this in the FV 10 days ago and its down to 1011 from 1040 Its been at 1011 over the last two nights! I will take another reading tomorrow and then keg and bottle if its the same.

So few, another Muntons kit through the 1020 mark!

The taste from the trial jar was nice but very bitter. More bitter than I expected, but it has a nice golden look to it!

Hopefully its going to be a nice summery drink once primed up.

Thanks

My Brother-in-Law has currently got this one conditioning, and he said its was quite bitter, but was getting nicer after a few weeks.

I think that the 1020 stick was a myth or a temporary blip, because I have never suffered it with any Muntons kit.

Is this kit a 36 pint/20L jobbie?

It could be a St Peters thing, as we both know, the IPA had a very harsh initial taste but now its a very tasty drop after several months in the bottle!

I hope this calms down a bit although its not unpleasant, just more bitter than I expected. And yes, its a 36pint kit. I think it would suit a hop addition pretty well if the bitterness stays there to balance out, perhaps by leaving the hop sachet out that comes with the kit.

I too have never had a Muntons 1020 stick either! And I have done 9 or 10 of the kits now.

I think that little hop powder sachet that comes in St Peters is pretty harsh TBH.

I've still got their Ruby Red kit under the stairs waiting patiently to be brewed, but I've already decided to leave the hop sachet out, and boil some Fuggles or Goldings for 10mins 'Brupak' style

[Stomach]

I think that little hop powder sachet that comes in St Peters is pretty harsh TBH.

I've still got their Ruby Red kit under the stairs waiting patiently to be brewed, but I've already decided to leave the hop sachet out, and boil some Fuggles or Goldings for 10mins 'Brupak' style

Next St Peters I do, I may leave out the hop powder. Thats a pretty good idea to do a Brupaks with it!!

[darrellm]

I've had the opposite with Muntons, they've been ultra-reliable for me, it's some other kits that have got stuck around 1020.

[Geezah]

I'm taking a brief sabbatical from AG as my kit needs repairs, getting a kit again after 3 years or so reminded me how straightforward it is to make nice beer, currently debating whether to get another one and put off repairing my meligned gear....

When I weigh up the cost of AG + my time at £20 per hour (if I was at work) + the payback for all the kit its not a cost effective way of brewing IMO.
I understand that you get to make good ales to your own taste, but the same can be achieved from kit adaption or extract brewing.

Its not cost effective if you charge your own time, but that's missing the point IMHO.

How many hobbies do you cost that way? If you liked cooking would you cost your time when working out if a ready-meal was cheaper than cooking something you really liked?

I really enjoy formulating an AG recipe and then brewing at the weekend. It depends what you want to do. Just make reasonable beer at low cost or spend some enjoyable 'me' time brewing something unique that's more to your taste than most pub beer.

If it was going to be a 6-8 hr brewday to do 2-3 kegs worth, although I may enjoy the brewing process it is still effectivly a day of my free time lost, whereas doing 2-3 kits, even with adaptions i'm looking at an hour or 2 at most.

I would be better off being in work for that extra 6 hours @ £20 ph for the extra i'm going to get or save from a grain brew.

I'm not knocking AG brewing, I just value my time a little more than spending it making beer.
(and for the record, I very rarely work overtime as I prefer to spend weekends having fun)

I do enjoy cooking and spend a few hours once a month making up a good curry base sauce, and I do consider my time as part of the cost.
Based upon my costs for making it, my time spent in the kitchen and how many 'Take away' style curries i get from it, yes it is cost effective.

When I had my fence replaced last year I considered doing it myself.
I worked out how long it would take and what tools I would need to buy / hire and decided to work a saturday instead and pay someone to do it for me.
Cost was equivalent to my pay for that saturday, but I was better off by not having to hire tools or graft hard.

.. so yeah, I do take that sort of methodical/cost approach to most things

Appologies for the off topic debate

[Stomach]

[quote="Geezah\]
If it was going to be a 6-8 hr brewday to do 2-3 kegs worth, although I may enjoy the brewing process it is still effectivly a day of my free time lost, whereas doing 2-3 kits, even with adaptions i'm looking at an hour or 2 at most.

I would be better off being in work for that extra 6 hours @ £20 ph for the extra i'm going to get or save from a grain brew.

I'm not knocking AG brewing, I just value my time a little more than spending it making beer.
(and for the record, I very rarely work overtime as I prefer to spend weekends having fun)

I do enjoy cooking and spend a few hours once a month making up a good curry base sauce, and I do consider my time as part of the cost.
Based upon my costs for making it, my time spent in the kitchen and how many 'Take away' style curries i get from it, yes it is cost effective.

When I had my fence replaced last year I considered doing it myself.
I worked out how long it would take and what tools I would need to buy / hire and decided to work a saturday instead and pay someone to do it for me.
Cost was equivalent to my pay for that saturday, but I was better off by not having to hire tools or graft hard.

.. so yeah, I do take that sort of methodical/cost approach to most things

Appologies for the off topic debate [/quote]




Are you a Quantity Surveyor? (I am by the way!!)

And yes, I have cocked the quotes!!

[Geezah]

I used to run 2 fabrication shops, so had to work out all the in's n outs to make jobs pay, I have sort of adapted that mindset into my everyday life.

I payed my bro in law £200 to mitre and fit my work surfaces in the kitchen cause I have never done it and would have needed to buy/hire the kit and potentially fook up £400 of worksurface if I got it wrong. I'ts all about knowing your own strengths and weaknesses and making cost effective decisions. (he also done a load of plastering in that price too)
on the flip side, I have bricklayed many BBQ's and fitted custom grills and ovens I have fabricated @ £100 a time.... swings n roundabouts innit.

[Zephiacus]

Haha, good work.

Back on topic though, just had a first taste of this after a week in the bottle, can already tell its gonne be a cracker. Though saying that, i'm an AG man, and when my next paycheck comes in i'll be back on the AG wagon. And not cos of taste, my ag brews have(mostly) been great, with that extra satisfaction of knowing that this is MY beer from start to finish. But i'm a 22 year old student, i can easily spare all the time and effort and massivly enjoy every minute of it. The only thing i'd change about this st peters, is the yeast, i think with some nottingham or wlp001 this beer would be that little bit better.

[St. Ailbhe's Brewery]

I have some of this that's about 3 months old now.

I have to say, for such a costly kit I'm very doisappointed with it. It tastes of absolutely nothing, I'd have been better off buying Fosters.

The 20l brewed down well to about 5.2%, keeps a lovely head, is crystal clear... but tasteless.

I can get nothing off it.